Jest Out of Jurisdiction
Law Enforcement / First Responder stories and experiences with a focus on comedic blunders, events, and the lighter side of stressful jobs. Stories are firsthand accounts told by the hosts Flash and T-Dot with accompanying guest interviews.
Jest Out of Jurisdiction
Guitars, Golf Carts, and Double Date Chaos
Ever wondered how a musician finds himself in law enforcement? Meet Josh Gaylor, whose journey from a guitar-strumming college student to a respected police officer is nothing short of fascinating. Join us as we reminisce about Josh's early musical adventures, his bluesy band Crowhart, and the twist of fate that led him into the world of policing. We kick things off with some light-hearted stories about mastering the guitar and drums, then take a nostalgic trip back to our days as neighbors, sharing laughs and unforgettable moments from those days.
Outro Music. I wish Josh were to sing. Have you ever heard him sing? He's pretty good.
Speaker 3:No, he won't do it. I'm not a singer.
Speaker 2:He can play guitar, though, he can play about anything. Well, he has to go up there and show me how to play drums every week. It's hard being the third best drummer up there when his son's here and that's serious. But they've shown me so much and it's been what? Five, six, seven years. It's amazing where I've come from. He's like that guy's retarded up there.
Speaker 5:I'm not a drum kid To like hey, you've been, you know.
Speaker 2:Know, I'm not saying I'm great, by any means. I'm like here's, here's beginner. I'm just above beginner, I'm pushing towards it intermediate, but he'll challenge. He's like here's a new rock beat for you today and I was like I mean, it's just like so that's my goal for this week is to learn that. That time.
Speaker 4:That's funny, because I can't make to learn that timing that's funny.
Speaker 2:Because I can't make all four limbs do different things. I'm still at like three limbs. It's tough, it is.
Speaker 4:I don't know how you get to the you can't walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
Speaker 2:Well, that's natural. Hitting something in a different time and making all four limbs do it at a different pace than walking is really different. I've tried to play drums. My musical endeavors have not went well, which I enjoy, so that's the good part. But you can learn it. If I learned it.
Speaker 4:This is true. If you can learn it, then you better can.
Speaker 2:The key is not start when you're 38 years old. It's been about 10 years. How old were you when you started? 38 years old, well, not yet. It's been about 10 years. But how old were you when?
Speaker 3:you started playing guitar and stuff 14, probably.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I wish I would have taken up something like that. Dad tried to teach me how to play the guitar a few years back and I just I can't.
Speaker 3:It's like anything else, depends on how much time you put in it. Yeah, I don't have time now to COVID.
Speaker 4:During COVID, that would have been an excellent time. Well, I was picking.
Speaker 2:Everybody at the house was tanking around that I went straight to ukulele.
Speaker 4:There you go. Of course. Got little girl hands.
Speaker 2:I know I should be able to reach out there, it's just I can't make them move.
Speaker 4:Need my good hand. Alright, you got us good hand. Alright, you got us, I got us. Everybody sound good? Yeah, sounds good to me. Alright, we're back with another episode for you.
Speaker 2:Of course he's recorded. I forget that he hits the record while we're talking. That's exactly right.
Speaker 4:You gotta get that B-roll going, but we're back with a another good episode for you, and this one may end up being a long one.
Speaker 2:We hope so.
Speaker 4:We hope so or park, if we can forget. So we've got uh another guy that I didn't get the opportunity to work with uh any, but uh, I've known him for a while and got to experience him as a neighbor for a long time. Oh no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's just a whole other podcast on that, yeah.
Speaker 4:I still find random golf balls in places. That's awesome, but we've got the Gaylor with us.
Speaker 2:Josh Gaylor. Wow, so Josh was my well. He was my first well, I won't say first training officer, but he was like the most. I probably spent a lot, most of my time with Josh. I don't remember how that came about.
Speaker 3:Because you switched from.
Speaker 2:You go to different officers Day shift, second shift yeah, but my day shift training officer was Josh and we did some things. I didn't understand why we were doing them, but we did some things. Neither did I, but Josh lived on Morgan Street or whatever it was behind Clark Street, Clark Drive yeah, yeah, clark.
Speaker 2:And I'd see Josh with his boat and he was pulling out his cruiser. All the time. I was like hey guy, he's living the life. I'm going to be a city police officer. So I don't know if we really knew each other. Besides, just like hey, at that point, I don't think so. Probably no, not yet. But quickly, quickly, yeah, quickly, we, we got to know each other well. So how did uh, how'd your policing start?
Speaker 3:you know my intentions out of high school was to go. I went to college on actually on a music scholarship to Moorhead Tim Smallwood. For whatever I knew Tim from some that's I was a baby and he's like you're thought about being a cop. I don't know, and that's how it started.
Speaker 2:Now he planted a seed. Planted a seed.
Speaker 3:And at the time I think he was maybe a lieutenant or something. So I went through the process. I think I went through the process two or three times I guess, and I guess I got hired in 98, I think Okay.
Speaker 2:Now there's a story about before we get into that. Like you, played some rock and roll music with some local guys here going up.
Speaker 3:The Crowhart right Crowhart the bluesy rock band. We did yeah.
Speaker 2:Did y'all steal that from the Black Crows?
Speaker 3:I don't think so. That sounds like something. Yeah, it was like something. Yeah, it was just something stupid.
Speaker 4:There's still recordings available of this.
Speaker 2:We hope so. If we can, we'll put them on this.
Speaker 3:Somewhere I do and I'll have to dig that up.
Speaker 4:We'll dig it up.
Speaker 2:We might make that the intro music for this one, but there's a rumor and I don't know if you told or you told somebody that you had an offer to play, maybe record, with a country singer. Is this true?
Speaker 3:That was many moons ago. Yeah, that was actually in high school and we were long-haired rockers Right and didn't want no part of that old country music. So, yeah, that was out.
Speaker 2:But it's a pretty popular singer at the time that was in Nashville and recording all over, I think he has family, maybe here or something, or has connections here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but yeah, it just never. I was like I ain't playing country music.
Speaker 2:I'm not playing no country music. Are you kidding me? Are?
Speaker 3:you going to?
Speaker 2:be a city police officer.
Speaker 4:The decisions we've made.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Is there going to be a city police officer? The decisions we've made, If you'd have known like, hey, if I had just took that gig, or was it a touring guitar?
Speaker 3:whatever it was, whatever it was.
Speaker 2:I wasn't interested If he would have took that gig down in Nashville or wherever he could have probably played for about anywhere, anywhere, at least recording sessions or whatever.
Speaker 4:he's super talented, but what a mistake oops, I think in this, uh, you know, in this job line we all look back and say how did I end up here?
Speaker 3:yeah, would you do it over? Yeah you do it, I'll do it yeah, I probably would uh, would you Probably After he went to Nashville.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, I would change certain aspects of it, but I would go back.
Speaker 2:So my thought pattern was I got out of the Marines, started doing work for the local electric company, should have stayed there, but I missed that bond, that camaraderie that you have from it, so the esprit de corps, if you will, and I thought how can you do that and serve your community? I should have went to the fire department, I guess.
Speaker 3:You definitely have to have a heart for service. There's no other way.
Speaker 4:I've never enjoyed a job more, but I've also never hated a job more at the same time.
Speaker 1:That's frustrating, but yeah, I had many days of being like.
Speaker 4:I've never enjoyed a job more, but I've also never hated a job more at the same time. That's frustrating, yeah, but yeah, I had many days of being like man. I should have never left FedEx.
Speaker 2:I'm an idiot so I mean, All right, I interrupted you so you got your start. Tim planted the seed. Basically, yeah. And what year did you go to the academy? 98.
Speaker 3:1998. 1998. Went to the academy with me John Whitehead, mike Holliday They've all been mentioned before and Greg.
Speaker 4:Grimes, what class number were you on? 268. All right, to put that in perspective, I was 482 when I went through. What year?
Speaker 2:16. I was 02. I was 324. So you know they were putting about five classes at a time.
Speaker 4:We were running. We had five or six classes while we were going.
Speaker 2:It would be three weeks spread apart.
Speaker 3:They run through a lot of classes. We were lucky enough to go under the 10-week.
Speaker 4:Ours was 23. I was a 16-weeker. Yeah, you suck too I thought man.
Speaker 2:I just had missed the 10 10 week, or just a couple.
Speaker 4:You know, listen, we've been long and I think they went back to 20 weeks now because we looked at our curriculum and the scheduling the way it was. There was like two weeks of dead time that we had that was not necessary, so so you went with you went with Whitehead, who's been mentioned on the first one. On some stuff.
Speaker 2:That guy legend he is.
Speaker 3:A legendary Big John the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2:He is 6'7" Ish yeah. A monster man, he is yeah, and I told everybody about him. He got me out of more fights. People look up and just look Frankenstein, be like, never mind, I'm out.
Speaker 4:Look like Herman Munster.
Speaker 2:He could throw hands too. I think he was like a Taekwondo black belt or something.
Speaker 4:Influent in Spanish.
Speaker 2:No way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, way smarter than he looks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he played music too. Wasn't he a guitar player too? He played some music. I think he dabb. Yeah, he played music too. Wasn't he a guitar player too? He played some music. I think he dabbled. I think he could play. And then Fuzz. He was with the sheriff's office probably, or was he with the city police when we went to the academy.
Speaker 3:I think he was at the, so Okay.
Speaker 2:So legendary guy, he's been everywhere. Yes, I think he's firefighting right now and damn well he won't give it up. And then, who else did you say Holiday, doc Holiday, who's been mentioned a couple times on here? Which one of them guys was your roommate? Or did they break you?
Speaker 3:up. Neither, we were all split up. My roommate that I went to the academy with died several years back Wow, all split up. My roommate that I went to the academy with died several years back. Really Wow, he got lung cancer and died. That's terrible. He was from Flemingsburg, wow.
Speaker 2:Where is Flemingsburg? I think it's out east, isn't it I? Don't know Easterly, I really don't know, my academy roommate was Danny Robinson. They stuck us together and I wish they would have gave me somebody else.
Speaker 4:They split me and Bert Patrick up also.
Speaker 2:The guy that I had.
Speaker 4:He was a good guy. He was from an agency over in Louisville I can't remember what it's called, it was something a little small agency. But yeah, he was a good guy.
Speaker 2:I enjoyed him well, I think, I think each coordinator may have thought like well, these guys are going to work together, let's put, let's let them, you know, roommate together.
Speaker 4:And I'm like after danny's snoring episodes it's like, yeah, I wouldn't want to use the bathroom with danny.
Speaker 2:No, after, after the stories you've told yeah, there's no way I'm going to go in after that nuclear holocaust. So tell me about the academy. What did you all get into there, oh goodness.
Speaker 3:Well, of course we drove I'm sure you all did too Commuted every week or stayed a week, came home on the weekend. Yes, our general process was each weekend something would happen and we would have to come report to the, to the captain's office, for whatever it happened there in that, for you know, the last week that's worse than me.
Speaker 2:I thought we were bad because we got reported I know four or five times, but they never caught us in on carpet they were.
Speaker 3:It was all after like told about how many times we got called in on and John could elaborate on some of that, probably, but we'll have to see if he could come in. If it wasn't, you know, we're report of somebody dancing on tables at Applebee's or speeding or it was just something every weekend.
Speaker 4:I'm seeing now that you all are the reason as to why the rules changed so much and we weren't allowed to do anything when we were out there.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying all the accusations were accurate not all of them.
Speaker 2:Some of them were, some of them could have been. What else did y'all do?
Speaker 3:you know what's the statute of limitations. I think we're good no, I can't think of anything too terrible, but just terrible enough to get called in every weekend, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:I can't believe that was some characters with you there before you go to the academy. I don't know, man, that was some characters with you there. Oh man, so how?
Speaker 3:was, you know, like before you go to the academy. I don't know what you all did, if you all just you know, on your start day you went to the academy, or whatever. But whenever we started we started like a week before the academy day, so we were like just doing stuff around the office, you know, painting or this or that yeah.
Speaker 3:So and know painting or this or that. So, and John could elaborate on this too. One of John's earlier complaints, I guess, was we were like he went out to pick up lunch, so we hadn't been sworn, we were just waiting to go to the academy, called it on the radio, I'm out with so-and-so and this and that and 10-15. I can't remember how it all went down, but that kind of went down the hill pretty quick, I can imagine.
Speaker 2:He's not even officially sworn, yet I don't think we were.
Speaker 3:We were just kind of hanging out waiting to go to the academy. We might have been sworn, but we weren't supposed to be doing anything.
Speaker 2:I would say we were sworn. Yeah, just like. Do not stop calling, do not interact with people. You have no idea what you're doing. Our policy manual was there at one time, was full of John Whitehead, which I love, you know. It's not that, he's just like well, there's no rule against that.
Speaker 4:We better make something I love, john have you really had an accomplished policing career if your face is not next to a policy somewhere in the menu?
Speaker 3:that's a good time. If you had never gotten in trouble, you weren't doing your job no, so y'all graduated.
Speaker 2:Everybody made it through. Everybody made it through well. So, everybody made it through well. So what happened? Who was like your training officers and stuff?
Speaker 3:My first FTO officer was Jim Whalen.
Speaker 2:Jim Whalen. If you remember Jim, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3:Jim and my very first impression of Jim Whalen. I got hooked up with Jim. He walks into the office one day he's got a pin, a pin on his uniform, a big metal pin that says kill them all and let God sort them out. And he goes into the captain's office and that goes downhill too pretty quick. That was my very first impression of Jim. Wow, that's close, he was a great guy too. I liked Jim. Wow, that's close, he was a great guy too.
Speaker 2:I liked him, so tell us about. I know you mentioned something about your first, like getting checked off. I'm sure there's other stuff in the cabin, you can go wherever you want, but that story about the captain Getting released from FTO. So it's about a. I don't know how long it was for you, but it's about a 13.
Speaker 4:It's 15 weeks for us is what it would be. Yeah, 13 to 15.
Speaker 2:You do your field training, so it's like an OJT. See if you've got this or not before they released you.
Speaker 3:And before you got released, a supervisor or whoever would come out and ride with us, you know, to check you off or whatever so you're good to go. Yeah, us, you know, to check you off or whatever. So you're good to go. Yeah, and I was on nights at the time and the person that came to do my checkoff ride was jim yeah, I think he was. I guess he was captain, yeah, so also at the time I can't remember who all else was there, derek house.
Speaker 3:Well, he was, uh, I think he was still a patrolman at the time and so he dares me. He's like you know you don't have a hair if you, when jim gets in the car, if you don't hold his hat, like smoking the bandit okay. So you know you don't dare cops to do stuff, no, and uh, so jim gets in the car derek, they're Jim gets in the car, they're all like in the car behind us or whatever. So I just reach over and I grab Jim's hat and I was like let me hold your hat, daddy. And he spins his head around to me and the hat stays still, but his head like spins inside the hat and he just looks at me like he's going to rip my face off. Oh my gosh, I've seen that. Look, I know that, look yeah everybody knows that.
Speaker 2:Look, oh my gosh. That's awesome man. He put your mouth up, looked at you like I'm going to kill you. He was a good guy, I liked him. Oh, he was great. He could flat shoot a pistol. You ain't kidding, he could. He could, gosh. What else you got?
Speaker 3:Oh man, where do you go from there? Well, jason Fannuck was one of my FTO officers and I'm sure did he ever FTO you.
Speaker 2:No, I took his spot when he went to state police. He and. Chuck and John Whitehead went to state police. And then I think it was John Me and Danny Robinson and Rodney Van Zandt took their spots.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but yeah, jason was another one. He worked with him a lot, yeah.
Speaker 3:Jason was constantly jacking with you over something you know Big cut up. Yeah. You'd be sitting at a red light you know noon on Main Street and you'd just reach over and flip your sirens and lights on.
Speaker 4:There's nothing like it Make you look like an idiot in front of everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Everybody getting out of the way.
Speaker 4:One time.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you a quick story about getting out of the way One time. I'll tell you a quick story. I came back from a call and I just had come to day shift. It was like when we got split up and I was on day shift, just led a funeral procession down the parkway, drove all the way back into town, pulled in the back lot of the PD and Lodge was sitting out back the chief. He just pointed up at my just a little flick of his finger at my light bar. I was like holy cow, look down. I had driven probably 10 miles because I went on patrol after that with those lights on. I was like I was wondering why everybody's getting out of my way. I was like oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Those opens didn't. I was like, oh my gosh, they don't make those opens that make any noise and it just there was no click. Like you know it's on, it's just I've done the opposite of that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, when we had those toruses that had the, all your components were in the drawer in the trunk. Every time you pulled that drawer out it unplugged something, oh yeah. So I was trying to stop a car one time had my lights, you know, I'd flipped everything on and it's working on the, you know, on the dash panel.
Speaker 4:Well, I've got nothing going up top and I'm getting pissed off because they're not, they're not pulling over and I'm getting ready, call out in pursuit and I finally look and see the reflection. I was like I don't have any lights on.
Speaker 2:Yeah they used to have. Somehow they had those push button things and I remember one time going to a hot call and turning on my siren but not any lights. I was like, get out of my way, what is?
Speaker 4:wrong with it, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like what is wrong with these freaks? Why won't they get out of? The way I'm just wiring out. There's no lights on at all. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to hit it. Yeah, I just look like a fool driving around. It's one of those you just turn around.
Speaker 4:You just say this is over with.
Speaker 2:I'm done with that, Forget it. He's like yeah, I ain't going to make it guys. No, it wasn't nothing anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and speaking of Jason, I don't. He's off-duty, basically starting pursuits with the on-duty officers and stuff. Like on his motorcycle he was always on his motorcycle?
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I have heard mention of that, yeah.
Speaker 2:I heard there was some trouble just about got some big trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess it happened. I've heard about those stories. That was a long. I'd say he was in that policy manual some I'm sure.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Guaranteed. There's a chapter I have no doubt the bad head.
Speaker 2:It's sandwiched in somewhere in between the white head.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's funny we had gosh John. I remember all the time he'd get called in the carpet.
Speaker 3:I remember one time we were in our dorm at the academy and my roommate at the time he's over by the window and he said isn't that your guy out there? I don't know. So I go to the window and he's like and they're getting ready to be a throwdown, but I have no idea who he's getting ready to fight with. So we had to go down and get inside. But yeah, it was just interesting.
Speaker 4:I have no idea.
Speaker 3:Some other officers from somewhere.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, they probably just ran their mouth, they probably deserved it. Yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh, he's so funny. We need to have him on. John needs to come on absolutely yeah, I'm trying to reach out to fuzz, but I'm getting, uh getting the no answer yet.
Speaker 5:So we'll see, we'll see but I never reach out to him he's not interested, here's he?
Speaker 4:I don't know I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know if he's ducking me or what. Right now he might change numbers, I don't know he may have, but you never know, with firefighters's ducking me or what right now.
Speaker 3:He might change numbers, I don't know he may have, but you never know with firefighters if they're asleep or whatever, playing Xbox. I've not seen.
Speaker 2:Fuzz in ages he's still the same. I've not seen him in a while.
Speaker 3:I saw him up there in Danville when I was working up there just checking fire hydrants. One day Fuzz stories at the academy they would do a semi-room check on occasion so they'd come and Fuzz's roommate would like put pillows and stuff in Fuzz's bed or whatever. Yeah, yeah, he's asleep. He'd be like in London or wherever.
Speaker 4:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:I never thought about that.
Speaker 4:Our room inspections are a little more in-depth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'd come in and actually your bed had to be made. Yeah, but at the night shift, when they come in at night, they were always sticking a PBT in our mouth. Really yeah.
Speaker 2:We never actually had to do it, but we got threatened with it every night, we did, we had the key cards that if you didn't come in certain times yeah, at a certain time you were when you were questioned we was the first one of the first classes in those new dorms over there and they had those key fob things where they kind of track us pretty good, we were at the maddox hall, I think it was yeah, he was. He was over on campus. Yeah, we, we were across the road over that academy.
Speaker 3:We had I don't know- if you remember Terry Runner, do you all have him in training, yeah, I do Great guy. I love Terry. He was our dorm guy, whatever he was called, and he would just stand there. Get in Everybody. Get in here, get in here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, hurry up, hurry up.
Speaker 2:I want to think that Runner did our crime scene photography and I think he'd done a lot. Instead of accident accident, he did our accident to talk taught how to write our accident report yeah, he was a great guy, man, we were. We just all happened in my academy class. They told us it was a nighttime drive and they said you know, that's got that drive down there on the bottom it's got some fake railroad crossing down there. And they gave us a strict order of no more than 45 miles an hour.
Speaker 3:Reminds me of another story.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. Some guys hit that down there, bounced it, spin it, hit a vehicle down there that they had a reconstruction class going on. Bounce it, spin it, hit a vehicle down there. They had a reconstruction class going on. There was a wrecked vehicle down there. Now the next day they left that car sitting in there. It came out and did a reconstruction on that car wreck. That's awesome. You talk about guys that were puckering. They were definitely on standby for graduation. They were like oh my God, because they were like speed, you know they were going 45 miles an hour.
Speaker 3:So did you all know, andy Ferguson.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, he's at Dambled PD now.
Speaker 3:Really, yeah, I worked with him Did not know that. Yeah, he was our firearms instructor.
Speaker 4:He was mine instructor. He was fishing wildlife.
Speaker 3:So when he done a lot of the section the tactics, all that stuff, Driving shooting.
Speaker 4:He was our driver.
Speaker 3:And I guess is he from London.
Speaker 4:Or worked London or something. I think he may have worked that area.
Speaker 3:I don't know, Maybe he had some kind of connection to London. So everybody, all of us from Laurel County, for whatever reason, they like to give us a hard time, you know, just out of fun. So when we were doing our pursuit driving, of course, they gave out the call you know, ATO, for this, whatever and it was the instructor. We pull onto the track, and it was the instructor. We pull onto the track and it's Andy.
Speaker 3:So he turns and he sees that it's us and he just smiles so the pursuit's on. You know, you said like 45 and all that we were. I mean we were drifting around the track, oh yeah. So he leaves the track and we're heading out towards the bypass. I mean we go like down the bypass half a mile Pursuit, yeah, and finally he stops. He's like okay, stop, we're all going to go to jail.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:So yeah, he was a nut Because where that's at.
Speaker 2:it's a half mile to the bypass. You're getting back towards Patty A, so you're getting there. He didn't go too far, but yeah.
Speaker 3:That's hilarious. Getting back towards patty up there. So you're getting there.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he definitely he left the the training grounds. Yeah, so quick one on andy the other day. Well, last year about this time I'm gonna say march, april he's doing a. He's he's the driving coordinator for damo PD. So I come over there to do my. You know they now have mandatory driving. Every two years or a year you have to go do driving training. So Andy's the instructor for the PD up there and he's like I ride with him, do the course back up, go back through it, done. He's like you got it. I said yeah.
Speaker 2:I got it. He's like how did? He's like, man, we don't have a time limit on this, but don't hit a cone or you'll have to do it again, roger. So I go through it, don't hit a cone. Come back through. He said well, you passed. But he said you know, you know that that little skinny one on the right hand side is the gas pedal. He said you went like four minutes through this course. You're supposed to feel like 45 seconds. I mean I said you said no time limit that's the word.
Speaker 2:But he said are you serious? He said why don't you go do it one more time a little faster? I mean, it's like you know, it's probably like a two. I doubled the time. Yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, and he would call you out and it's hilarious. Yeah, he's still working up there.
Speaker 3:I like Dan, he's a great instructor Great dude, he was good.
Speaker 4:Did he ever tell you all the story about the monkey? I?
Speaker 2:don't think so.
Speaker 4:So when he was working fishing wildlife and I'm pretty sure it was him that told us that he had stopped a vehicle and they had a pet monkey for whatever on a leash and he ended up having to take the owner to jail but he had tied that leash to that monkey to the back of his truck during the stop. Oh no, and it may have been a DUI while he was doing, filter bride all that and forgot about the monkey. Oh no, he said when they got to the jail that monkey was clawed, latched onto the bumper for dear life, just shivering that's full on.
Speaker 3:Chevy Chase put the grandma on the roof. He's like thank god I didn't drag him over, for dragging yeah, he was good you ever dragged, I did. I did drag once. It wasn't the classic drag like the possum or whatever, but it was a a toy pig, okay. I wasn't really aware, of course, that I was dragging at the time, so I think it was night shift maybe, usually when that happened.
Speaker 4:Yeah, always that's a night shift activity, for sure, everybody ganged up.
Speaker 3:They're like come in here and watch this video. Somebody's dragging, so they put it on the screen. Of course I'm ah ha ha and I was like wait a minute, that's my tag, that's my tag, that's my car that's me.
Speaker 2:You drug and they never let you in on the joke.
Speaker 3:I didn't know until I saw the video. Oh my God, that's awesome, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, that's funny. Did you ever get into any? Did you work with Joe a lot, didn't Joe Smith? Oh yeah, I know, y'all got something funny up there. Joe's hilarious, joe's hilarious. I called him about coming on and I'm going to guilt him. He said I'm just not. He's introverted now, yeah he's like I'm too introverted to go on the pod. I was like come on, joe he introverted to go on the pod. I was like, come on, joe, he'd be great, it's not live.
Speaker 3:He's got some of the funniest stuff he would do awesome.
Speaker 4:He's had such dry humor.
Speaker 2:I know You've got to listen to him twice. It's great, are you serious?
Speaker 4:I remember when he'd done my home visit. He just came in, stood at the door. I was playing a video game or something. When he came in I had it paused. He's like oh, you playing, that that's pretty good. He's like, all right, looks good, see you joe was.
Speaker 3:I guess he was supervisor one night he was sergeant. Let's meet him and I don't, I can't remember who else was working he had. He had a couple 10, 15s or one and I had one in the back of my car, two separate things. So I'm going south on main, like toward the pd. He's coming north and no, I take that back. I had a 10 15. He's coming north and he sees somebody walking.
Speaker 3:This is late, like one in the morning or so, so he stops and the guy that he's stopping to check takes off, running from him straight to me, like straight at me. So I'm like, all right, I got this guy. So what am I going to do? I said, all right, I'll chase him. So I throw the car in park, I take off, chase him north on Main. We're kind of like there by Huffman's in that area, at the school or the sidewalk. You know they dip down when you get to the street. So we're running, running and then the sidewalk just comes out from under my feet Right, so face plant into the street, knocked my front teeth off and it just so happened the guy I was chasing he had done the exact same thing so we both piled up, so I grab him.
Speaker 3:Here comes Joe. Joe shows up, so I've got this guy blood everywhere, my tooth broke out. So what does he assume? He?
Speaker 2:thinks it's your fault and he's punching you around.
Speaker 3:So that kind of goes south and at some point I'm like.
Speaker 2:I fell down oh yeah, you know he should have ran a chance more of the story. Yeah, oh my gosh, we had some me and Josh together. I told the story about me and Derek up at the haunted area and I know Josh. I don't know.
Speaker 2:You went to night shift for a while with me back when it was Derek and me and you and maybe and maybe I forgetkerson and maybe I forget the other supervisor it might have been Matt or something like that and here we go up there and Josh is like Josh would go out there and check that alarm. I was like did you forget? He's like this place is haunted Josh. Oh yeah, I forgot. You know, he's just been goofing around. You're talking about 4th Street. Yeah yeah, 4th Street's got some heights on it.
Speaker 2:We've seen some things out there, but oh, josh gets this call one time and Josh, he'd go on this bicycle diet where he rode the bicycle.
Speaker 4:I remember that Like that's all he did 20 miles a day or something and ate gummy bears.
Speaker 2:Smart ones.
Speaker 4:How did you not just crap your pants all the time he loses?
Speaker 2:like 40 pounds in a month or two. So we get this call over at the trailer park. Josh's like I need some help over here. Some woman just whooped his tail, threw him around. I was like shit. Josh lost a lot of weight. In my defense she was a large woman. She was.
Speaker 4:Women are We've said this before Pushed you over a coffee table or something.
Speaker 3:I think we were getting ready to take her kids or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a bad situation. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I remember as soon as I grabbed the radio I was like as soon as I came up. That's when she throws me over something, over a table, and stuff's breaking. I need some help, daddy. I was like somebody get rid of me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we get there and this woman's. So of course we're going to be like you got beat up by a woman, Josh, Come on you asking for help, but there's been some times man, you don't want no part.
Speaker 4:Listen. Fight like men or worse. We've said it before women are hard to fight you don't want to fight a woman like you would a man sometimes. They want to be fought, like you that's funny.
Speaker 2:So me and Josh, I know we talked about should we talk about this or not. It's too much, it's too funny not to talk about. So Josh becomes my training officer. We've established that I graduated the Academy in 2003, went to my call a day, went to hog head, went to my call a day, end up with Josh on day shift and you know I roll with Joe, some here, me and Josh are, and it's like week one that I'm with him. Day one we go on a burglary complaint. They're behind the PD somewhere. We got our guns out checking this house, searching. The next day we got our guns out checking this house, you know, searching. The next day we got our guns out on something else I mean it was. And then we go on a traffic stop and I look over at Josh as we pull up together riding. We come out, we break leather. We're pointing our guns down there, you know, at this suspect.
Speaker 3:John Whitehead had somebody stopped and he said something about a gun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, said something. I didn't know that because I was driving. Josh jumps out, he breaks leather. I come out, I drawn down, I look at what Josh's. Why are we putting our guns all the time? Because Johnny is like I don't know? Because Johnny is a guest, we were just like I don't know what to do with my hands. It's like I'm serious. It was every time we got out of the car For whatever reason, there was like a week straight.
Speaker 3:Everything we went through was gun cut.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's not like we just jumped out like here we go. But I remember another time it was a chicken festival night. Well, two chicken festival stories real quick. I don't know if you guys remember?
Speaker 2:So me and Josh were doing the 500. Yes, but he turned around and was going to play chicken with me. I don't know if you remember this. We hit head on and both tires came off the back tires. When we hit, we just looked at each other like, oh my gosh, are you okay? Head on, both tires came off the back tires. When we hit, we just looked at each other like, oh my gosh. Are you okay?
Speaker 2:We're getting ready to get into the Sloan air. I know one night at Chicken Festival Eric Wilkerson had went up and found a couple guys breaking in To a booth or something.
Speaker 2:We had a bunch of break-ins the night before at the booth we were on high alert. We was going to catch them, because that's what night shift did. We was going to catch these people breaking into people's stuff. There was a burglary complaint on North Main. I'm not 100% it's me and you working, but I ran and got my car to back him up because the other officer was out doing something else. So I was real close to the PD. So I got in my cruiser and went down to Eric who was on North Main Street at like a burglary in progress. He gets out and they go on foot pursuit. This is the secondary part of that.
Speaker 3:Just before that, josh and I find somebody running through the, just for no reason. They're just some dude running through, running through.
Speaker 2:And we catch him. Jamie was with me then. Yeah, and you all was on golf carts. We were on a golf cart. And I was chasing him in a cruiser and Jamie Sloan was hanging off the side of that thing like a monkey just checking that car you better run. You better run. You better run, yes, yes, this idiot. He runs up in our alley Behind Medical Arts. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it doesn't have a.
Speaker 2:Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go, so he's trapped. And of course I was a little aggressive officer and Jamie Sloan was like I saw. He said your eyes glazed over, you scared me. I was like Jamie, you were over there hanging off that side like a monkey. I was like what in the world?
Speaker 4:he's got a Mad Max in it.
Speaker 2:It was classic but the funniest Sloan story.
Speaker 3:I think I know where you're going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's set the stage here, because Josh and I and Derek were the we were night shift. We were night shift, we get a call and it was super busy that night. So I end up coming to the UI stop at Arby's, which is now where Texas Roadhouse is. So I'm there on this DUI stop and I've got like there's four people in the car.
Speaker 3:Two guys, two girls.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm dealing with the driver, and it was one of the women and her daughter and they were just mouthing, mouthing, mouthing, mouthing. The guys were pretty cool, but they were drunk too, so I'd already hooked them up. But I've got two spots in my cruiser to put the rest of the people. So I called Derek. Josh was out on something else and he comes over and he's like okay, so one took off running and I caught her. So she was my first 10-15. She was the driver. The other one, the daughter, kept running, running that mouth, so I hooked her up too. So now I got four people arrested. I can't get them back. I think a deputy came because you were tied completely up. I don't remember what it was. But yeah, and Derek couldn't stay because he had a burglary in progress. Go on.
Speaker 2:Another very emergency call. I couldn't leave mine. We're just spread real thin and I get them to the PD. I couldn't leave mine. We're just spread real thin and I get them to the PD. I think a deputy helped me bring them and then Josh gets freed up.
Speaker 3:So I go to the PD to help book these people.
Speaker 2:Because it was getting a little wild.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh man, where do you start? So to kind of tell the story these two guys, this was their very first blind date with this mother and daughter. Yeah, it's already jacked up from the get-go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's weird, right, they're very quiet and cooperative because they figured out real quick, uh-oh we have really messed up.
Speaker 3:We should not have went on a date with these two women.
Speaker 2:At some point he calls up to dispatch and Jamie had just started. Jamie was dispatching, yeah, and he comes back there. Go ahead with that, because I don't know why and how this all got started, how he got even called.
Speaker 3:I don't know if they could see our video. I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 2:You were like you need to come back here or something, Something probably yeah.
Speaker 3:So the best way I can remember, one of the women had went after you. They were all sitting in the book and trying to do her paperwork. One of them tries to go after Travis, so I go in that was the daughter, I think she was just mouthing and she gets up and goes after Travis. So I grab her. So we're fighting and then when that starts happening the mother she jumps up and goes after him Goes after me, so Travis gets her other.
Speaker 2:She jumps up, jumps after him, goes after me, so travis gets her. At one point there was the one that came after me, josh grabs, and she hits the bench that's sitting back there and her head hit that light switch thing and she went out for a hot second. She was knocked. She was knocked out a little bit, but somehow jamie sloan's back there watching this and he stopped at the vending machine and got a pack of peanut m&ms.
Speaker 2:So he's just sitting there watching all this eating his everything just like a little squirrel over there, just his eyes going, darting around like you can just see him like where do I go? And at one and at one point.
Speaker 3:I'm riding the one like a bull on their back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I take one down Her pants, like she had on jeans or something. They came down all the way, so I look like I've mounted up from behind on this girl. The ask for being well, that was later. Yeah, but I know this pepper spray was coming out everywhere. It was like the fountains at the Bellagio or wherever Be a stream of pepper spray going this way. Yeah, it was like we put music inside it and they were just lobbing.
Speaker 3:We ruined that printer I know we did and the desk gets kicked out on the floor and the computers are everywhere.
Speaker 4:And they were fighting this man and it's just the women that's fighting. Oh, they're trying to kill us.
Speaker 3:They're like oh, what have we done?
Speaker 2:They're just sitting there and they're sitting there choking in this paper.
Speaker 3:At some point Jason Van Hook was working in the sheriff's office and he comes in the back door asked about and he's herding this one across the floor like smacking the floor beside her, trying to drive her like one of those pig, shows exactly what.
Speaker 4:It's exactly what did he keep eye contact the whole?
Speaker 2:time? I think so, but he couldn't stay in long because that pepper spray was yeah yeah, and then then derrick shows up.
Speaker 3:He's like what have you all done? What's going? I mean, it was full-on, jerry springer.
Speaker 2:No, I mean he comes in in, he starts hacking a coffin. He said get them out of here. I was like I'll take these guys down there. I'm pretty sure I don't know if I even wrote him a citation. It just said go on, I have a DUI. I have this assault on police officers.
Speaker 4:I have a menacing I have a law book full of charges on police officers. I have a menacing yeah, it's turned into a.
Speaker 2:I have a law book full of charges on them two and I'm pretty sure when we got down to the jailhouse I just said go on, boys, they're like we get it. Because I was like I don't have time, and it was. I mean, calls were still going out. Derek had went. He got in a foot pursuit while we was doing all this and he was mad. You know, he's like we're tied up.
Speaker 3:There's probably a Netflix series somewhere like Worst Date Ever or something.
Speaker 2:It's got to be, that's awesome Blind date, double date with mom and daughter, and we went to hell quick. Yeah, it was terrible.
Speaker 3:Somewhere, I don't know if.
Speaker 2:I can find yeah, it was terrible somewhere.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I can find somewhere. I've got the video from that. We've got to find that it was classic and Jamie Sloan's still eating peanut M&M's.
Speaker 1:I still see it every time me and him get into it.
Speaker 2:He's always eating, like the last time he he's just that guy in the corner eating popcorn eating popcorn like ah, I got you it's funny classic we had fun just like a Jerry Springer it really was. I couldn't believe it was happening. I remember one time you are the father that's what Sloan was waiting for.
Speaker 4:He was going to read the results.
Speaker 2:I remember one time that woman kept getting up and dog cussing me. I hit the date, I hit the table. I'm pretty sure that's when Josh called and said you need to get back here, Jamie. I think I was starting to get frustrated. She'd slipped her handcuffs off and had one on, had the other one off. I was like I had to get it back.
Speaker 3:It was on after that and it was a video, and it was every bit of it was justified. Oh yeah, crazy, crazy stuff, but it was yeah we had fun, like trying to catch a greased pig or something. It was yeah you trained in.
Speaker 2:You trained Danny Robinson too, didn't you for some time?
Speaker 3:yeah, I don't remember when that was, but yeah, at some point so during this FTO. So one of the greatest stories.
Speaker 2:I've ever heard. You can see, yeah, I don't know this one, I just know that it's a short story, but it was funny so Danny's driving and I'm FTOing, ftoing, shoplifting call at uh what was it called vendors mall?
Speaker 3:yeah, north main when it was there at the palace place or whatever. Yeah, bright, hot, sunny summer day, ac wide open. So we put and they had told they'd come out and was like we're still watching them, just wait out here, we don't want to spook them or whatever. And uh, so I was like, well, just pull up here until they come out. I think maybe we just ate lunch or something. But you know how that goes. So I'm out just like a lot, I'm gone sleep. So eventually I come to I'm like, alright, has Danny got these people or what? And I look over and Danny's out, he's gone, completely asleep. So we're both sitting here asleep and I'm like, oh no, have these people left? Walked right past our car or what's happened? But luckily I don't think they had.
Speaker 3:That was funny we both fell asleep and I think I told him just wait for them to come out and tell us that was funny. We both fell asleep broad daylight. I was like alright, just wait for them to come out and tell us hit me, or whatever no, that didn't work.
Speaker 2:I couldn't imagine Danny sitting over dead asleep like drooling. I saw him in law class so I knew how he'd go Be like. Oh, that guy's sleeping. I think I'm drifting. I'm drifting.
Speaker 4:He went out. Let's make him go. Stand at the back of the classroom.
Speaker 2:He was a constant one back there. I don't think he fought it much. He's like I'm out yeah.
Speaker 3:He's a good detective. Another Derek story for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, another Derek story for you. Yeah, I love Derek stories. He loves them too. He gets me. I'll get a phone call, man, is that what you really think about me?
Speaker 3:well, yeah, I guess he did do this one, so I don't remember what year it was, but there was a shot. It was a shoplifting complaint started that way at the same place you talked about, but we where Texas Road has, yeah.
Speaker 2:Used to be a shell station or something. Yeah, I had a shell station. I had an Arby's at one time. I had one of them sandwich shops there for a while too, yeah.
Speaker 3:So and I want to think it was maybe Roy Gamble was working in me and I don't know who else, and I think possibly Roy got there first caused pursuit. It was a female shoplifting takes off in the car and, for whatever reason, I was like pulling in right when all this was happening. So I ended up being first car in the pursuit. So we go out. 363, maple Grove. Pretty good.
Speaker 3:Pretty good we get to where the S curves are when you get pretty good way up, oh yeah. So we get through there and this chick just takes off in somebody's yard and I follow her. So we go around and there's people on the back porch barbecuing, oh my God. So we're going around, mud flying, come back out to the road and she ripped. And then there's gunshots in this pursuit, by the way, but not for me. So long story short, 10-15,.
Speaker 3:Take her because she was complaining of being in her hospital. Allergic to cuffs? Yeah, yeah. So go to the hospital. Allergic to cuffs? Yeah. So I go to the hospital, get her checked in, yada, yada, and I'm sitting back there at the little desk trying to do paperwork. They come to get her to go do x-rays or something. So after like 45 minutes I was like where's this chick at? And they said I don't know. We took her back to the room. Gone, beats feet. Escapee on the run. Oh yeah, been there. So long story short. She's gone for like a week, probably three or four days a week. I get a call one day to come by the PD to the front.
Speaker 5:And it's like the flower delivery people delivering me flowers and the the.
Speaker 4:Tag on the flowers says there's this big note.
Speaker 3:Thank you if it wasn't for you I couldn't be free like I am today, and it was signed this woman's name or whatever. Yeah, but there it's awesome, yeah, yeah, from my escapee.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, it's embarrassing how long did they let you go before they? It wasn't hard to figure out, jeez.
Speaker 3:I mean you can imagine.
Speaker 2:I mean I was tore up about it anyway oh yeah, I was up at they just were seating a circuit is the guy that me and Richie talked about that we found in the corner and we picked him up, body slammed, all that stuff. So they were sitting in a circuit court trial, they were sitting in a jury and last second, during this, I mean they were getting ready to start the trial process and he comes in with a plea. So he pleads to like five, ten years or whatever, and they were like, okay, so I'm still up there just kind of waiting. This was in the old courthouse. I'm like, hmm, well, good, so we're sitting up there talking to some bailiffs. Well, some bailiffs go and get that guy some food and let him go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2:Well, he shimmied out man. He was an escape artist, you know. Like we said in that last podcast, he'd hid from us. Good, well, he scales down the side and gets out a window and he's gone and bailiffs were looking around. Have you seen him? I'm like, oh no, you know, he's like a master at escaping. He was gone for two weeks man Really he was right there I.
Speaker 2:He was gone for two weeks. Man, really he was right there. I think they found him up in Sioux Bend somewhere hiding, but it was crazy I was like oh my gosh, I finally did redeem myself and catch my chick too, how'd you find him.
Speaker 3:We got an address or something. Somebody ratted her out or something I can't remember. Eventually yeah, so you went. I think I actually did go.
Speaker 4:I would have yeah, you get determined on that stuff. Yeah, man it drives you crazy.
Speaker 2:You're like I've got to find her. You've got a hundred things going on in your head and she's right there and you're like I've got to find her and your cop friends are relentless and send you flowers.
Speaker 4:Yeah, of course Jerks.
Speaker 2:I don't remember that that's good stuff.
Speaker 4:I can't believe.
Speaker 2:Derek would do that. No no no, that's funny, though. What else we got? I know you got some classics. Let's see, we had such a good time All them years of policing together. I remember our last night policing when he was at the PD right before we went to's office. He's working night shift and started the next day. Oh yeah, it was crazy. I was like what are you? Why are you here?
Speaker 3:yeah, I had to have night shift and just the difference in the world I didn't have. I mean, I knew it was different, but not that different. So the next, whenever I started at the sheriff's office, of course you know I up get my uniform on. I was day shift like six. I think we were working six to four or something. Yeah, and you know 10-8,. You know, drive to the sheriff's office. There's no lights. I mean it's completely blacked out, no lights, nobody there. I go in, turn the lights on the whole first day, never seen anybody. I just answered call after call after call.
Speaker 4:It's a different world. Yeah, everybody else that went 10-8 from the bed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they got up, got their coffee until about 8 or 9.
Speaker 4:That was the routine for the sheriff's department, was you? You called 10-8 and got in the shower.
Speaker 2:Different world yeah, I had a job offer from them later. I was like man, man, it would have been like to to work there parts of me think it would have been better, and then others would be like, yeah, you get, you get pretty much destroyed.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, you might have two deputies working well and there for the longest time they didn't have detectives that were picking up. You know, you may, you might get stuck with whatever you get a rape or a sex, you know something yeah you're stuck working it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's hard here, you're, you're it, yeah, it's different.
Speaker 4:It is different.
Speaker 2:We were spoiled and had stacy so well you spoiled and you had three units most of that that was required they were always backing up. Well, that's true, yeah not nearly nearly the area to cover as a sheriff's office, which spoiled you. You always had backup for the most part. I mean there's those rare occasions where we're all chasing crazy people, but it was you always had somebody, or at least knew somebody was going to be there within a few minutes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you could get over town at night shift. You could be anywhere you needed to be in about two to three minutes.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying that you can effectively run 100 and so on Main Street, but you can do it. That's what they say.
Speaker 2:Allegedly it's dangerous.
Speaker 3:They say Allegedly it's dangerous. You were talking about the Little John story earlier. Yeah, might as well tell that one.
Speaker 2:See, I have no recall of this. I was just told this by Huggy. Okay, so Justin Hopkins was like, listen, he was telling this story one night or one day. We was talking it was the next day because I think we was working in schools together he said let me tell you what happened. So I'm going to let you take that, because I have no idea everything happened.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you the best I can remember, I was the sergeant. I guess we were. It was a night shift at that time, or maybe I was feeling the interest, I don't remember. So there's me. Little john may just been me and little john and little john's awesome. I love little john. You could tell little john climb up in that tree and stay there till I was a marine, yeah climb up in the tree.
Speaker 3:I'll let you know when to come down, and he'd be up there a week later yeah so, anyway, and he, I don't think he, I don't think he was from here, was he, was he, or he'd been maybe from here, but he'd been gone. Yeah he was military, yeah so didn't really know the area all that well. So he he had a GPS he would keep in his car, you know where it'll go. So we get a call earlier in the night about a female refusing to leave a house or something. John handles that, I didn't even go. So later we get a call of a burglary at. Was it Justin's? Justin's?
Speaker 2:Justin's house. Yeah Right, it was a forward move, but it was right there on. I think he was living in a double water or something.
Speaker 3:So I go to that and there's this chick in his house Drunk and I kicked the door in and went. They found her like in the bed or walking down the hallway.
Speaker 4:She was in the bed, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I snatch her up, 10, 15. I'm like, all right, yeah, we got her, hoorah. Yeah. And little John, he yells at me. He's like I think maybe we'd run her license or had her somewhere come up with an address. I can't remember exactly how it went. So he yells and he's like I was just with her earlier. I was like, hmm. He said yeah, that call that they were trying to get this lady out of their house. He said I think that's her. He said I took her home. And my heart starts dropping right. So I was like, oh, where'd you take her? Oh, to such and such, whatever the address was. And I'm standing there.
Speaker 3:And I'm like, oh, no, so. I was like so how did you determine this was her house or whatever she said it was? I told him an address and he punched it in the GPS and it was actually real near there, but it wasn't the right house.
Speaker 2:So he takes her basically assists her in breaking into one of the PD unit tasks. Wow, that is hilarious.
Speaker 3:It worked out and it was an honest mistake, but we gave him a hard time after that.
Speaker 2:Justin, he told me. He said I didn't know. Josh used that kind of language. He said he lit him up for a minute.
Speaker 3:Little John was known as Magellan there for a while.
Speaker 4:That's awesome, find his way around you find. You definitely earned your nicknames.
Speaker 3:In this field of work. Honest mistake. She thought she was home. She thought she was home, she was like Couldn't get her key to open, so she kicks the door in and goes to bed. She was like the three little bears, yeah.
Speaker 2:She's this pillow. This is just right. It just happened to be a yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's the?
Speaker 2:odds of that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's the?
Speaker 4:odds of nobody being home whenever they? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 4:That's funny.
Speaker 2:He's probably over at mom's and and dads or somewhere you know they're always together, that's well.
Speaker 3:That's family oriented bunch I've ever seen so I went from being like all right, yeah, we got this chick that broke in their house too.
Speaker 2:Oh my god we caused this we're complicit in this burglary exactly exactly, it's good times. What else you got?
Speaker 3:I don't know years and years worth. Can you think of anything? I'm just about out. I'm sure there's more.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there's plenty more, just like how you do 20 something years of policing everything starts to run together holy cow, did this happen then? But it's just the way it goes.
Speaker 4:I can't remember did Gary tell the story about him and little John and the female that was. They pretty much thought they was going to have to have hazmat suits to take care of her.
Speaker 3:I got a similar story. If you're going where I think you're going, yeah, this one.
Speaker 4:she was on something. It was like bath salts or something. She was out of her head completely naked. I was off. That was my short day for that week. Thank God I missed that one and he got out there assisting them. She was going to town.
Speaker 2:He was one of your marital aides.
Speaker 3:Oh I didn't think that's where you were going.
Speaker 4:This was a yeah. From the story that I heard, it was a.
Speaker 2:I don't want to go this route. Yeah, so you obviously wasn't there, so I'd rather hear yours, because that sounds awful. Yeah, this is bad, but his nickname is Porkchop.
Speaker 4:Now, oh no, wow, we'll get him to tell it.
Speaker 3:Similar Well, not similar to that, no, I'm glad. But I think I was still at the PD. That's when we had well, kroger North Main it's still there. So, shoplifter, and they had their little office. They would take them upstairs. Female shoplifter All right, whatever, roll in. I walk in and I notice everybody's like all the cashiers and stuff. They're looking at me all weird, what's up? And they would just point toward the office. She's up there, okay, get a little closer to the office. Somebody else gives me a weird look and points she's up there. Okay, get a little closer to the office. Somebody else gives me a weird look, points she's up there, all right. So I get upstairs and there's two or three managers or whoever Weird looks on their face. She's over there sitting in a metal chair with crap dripping.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that's dripping into the floor. They're just feeling sorry for you yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 2:I've been there. I wonder if it's the same one. She used to go and steal those Large woman, that one lady, that Kenny Jones. Somebody got that long car chase. She would take those dust off stuff.
Speaker 4:Oh yes, I've dealt with her. Hit that stuff She'd pass out. I know you're talking about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't even know if she's alive anymore.
Speaker 4:I don't think she is.
Speaker 2:It's sad, but she got hooked on, yeah, on that kind of stuff. Used to live in each part of town, yeah. So I was taking um, I was taking her to jail. She'd shoplifted some of those things from walmart to the pd's. Only what? A half mile, maybe a mile and um, she passed out back there, came back too. She said I pooped all over myself.
Speaker 1:Back here I was like, and then it hit me that smell.
Speaker 2:I was hanging my head out like a dog. I was like, oh my gosh, I made her clean it at least. I was like, yeah, I ain't touching that. I think I I was ready to burn my car to the ground. It just happens One time these women me and I think it was me and TC we were sitting, I just had to go deliver like a death notification, awful. So we're sitting underneath and it was at the like the Flowers Bakery, so we're sitting across the and it was at the Flowers Bakery in there, so we're sitting across the road over at that funeral home. It sounds morbid, but that was just where we could park. They're close to each other, so we're sitting there talking about this. I'm like man, I'm getting ready to walk in here. We was trying to verify that. He was there and TC's like we're sitting there in the cop two to position and, uh, this went this. Women go by and they help. They holler out a few cops or a few pigs. You know I was like huh, so we chase them down, of course, because I just would pull up
Speaker 2:and they're naked. I was like, what are you doing On dates? I'm like, what have you all? Why? Why would you? Did you just want to show us, because you didn't think we'd come after you? What is going on? I was like, oh my gosh, I knew their mom Really. Oh, it got real bad real quick. It was her 18th birthday, oh, and I was like I'm going to have to call, I'm going to have to call on you here. Oh no, it was horrible, horrible. Look, they weren't even drunk, they were just stupid, stupid, naked and driving around. I'm like, why, come on?
Speaker 3:What is wrong? It's hard to figure out what goes through people's head. I don't know.
Speaker 2:But that was the we've had just now. Mount Vernon, kentucky. When I went up there for a hot minute there's more. I saw more dead people in that little town and more naked people than I ever, ever wanted to see in my life. Some of them would be dead naked. Some of them would just be naked. I walked out, me and ed robbins. You remember, ed? He's working the jail down here, yeah and another deputy or another officer.
Speaker 2:We go on this domestic called woman or mother daughter. She kicks open this door or we we're let in and this one the daughter's in the shower and she'd been in there like hours, just wouldn't come out. Mom's like you've got to leave, you've lost your mind, all that stuff. So I said next time she opened that door, don't let her close it again, because the mom wants her out of here. She's crazy, let's get her help. So she opened that door a little, crack it and then boys just piled in. So I was in the back bedroom talking to mom and when I come out she's. She's naked as a jaybird and I look at her and she said what are you looking at?
Speaker 2:you want a piece of that I was like no, god, no, please, no, thank you. I'm scarred for a long time. Like no, no, thank you, I'm good. Oh my gosh. That reminds me.
Speaker 4:We get Cody on here, I'll get him to tell it from his perspective. But we've got video of it too. But it was a 202A call and it was over in one of the complexes, the apartment complexes. But we'd had calls. This was probably the fifth call to this apartment that day. This was probably the fifth call to this apartment that day. And uh, same kind of scenario. The mother had let the daughter who was 202, which is which is mentally ill, and uh, stay there. Well, she's off, her meds went nuts and won't leave. So we go over there, we're trying to sweet talk her all that. Well, she comes down the stairs when we get there and she's arguing with us and telling us all that and then, just in the middle of our conversation, just starts stripping butt naked.
Speaker 4:And you try and maintain a professional attitude. I may have an idea who that is. You don't laugh. Her mom's real little. She's a big unit, though, oh. Oh, that's not who I'm thinking, though, but she uh, but cody I know what you're talking about in the middle of it it's so funny. On his body cam you just hear him go honey quit.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's gross I came around we had this. We had a complaint of this woman drunk walking around over at those trailer. That little trailer park on Middle Ground Way, you know what I'm talking about. Back there, Just three or four trailers. Well, me and Boo and somebody else pull in there and I hit. My headlights hit first and she said this drunk woman, older lady, is in a kiddie pool just splashing around naked. I was like, oh, here we go.
Speaker 5:Here we go. You know what's going on. I was like oh gosh.
Speaker 2:Get her a shirt and let's go. So we took off. Well, I don't know whose it was, but there was a bunch of there was some clotheslines out out there. We just yanked a t-shirt off, said put that on and get in this car. I don't know, we probably stole it. I don't have a clue where we that, but it had to. We had to get that covered up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we can't handle this stuff tendency to run into naked people pretty high and policing it is for some reason crazy I missed out. During covid, too, they had a guy that you may have been involved in this With a guy. Everybody was trying to stay out of getting COVID and all that. They had a call. It may have been over Reams Lane, I can't remember, but they had to end up fighting with a naked guy that ended up tested positive for COVID. Every one of them got sick.
Speaker 2:You retired in 2019, right before COVID, or something let's see.
Speaker 3:I've been at the courthouse for a little over five years, five and a half years, so right about that time.
Speaker 2:Right in there. It's an enjoyable time, that retirement feeling. While it lasted yeah, then you go right back to work right back to work.
Speaker 3:Can you really?
Speaker 4:consider that work though it's.
Speaker 2:It's way more laid back than yeah, I I where I work, you know, in schools I've, I've, honestly I've had two complaints I've had to work this year really parking lot wreck that didn't really require nothing because they took care of it on on their own and just some crazy guy other than that it's been. I'm like I can't believe they paid me to do this.
Speaker 3:I've done nothing. There comes a time where you just you got to slow down. Yeah, I don't know, I'm ready to uh I'm ready to hang it all up now I'm getting closer.
Speaker 2:I feel it in my like. I'm ready to hang up the gun belt. Got'm getting closer. I feel it in my Like. I'm ready to Hang up the gun belt.
Speaker 4:Got it out of your, out of your blood, out of your system.
Speaker 2:I might have to reapply For the courthouse or something.
Speaker 3:There's no way it would have to pay Really, really well Before I'd ever put a gun belt Back on I know, oh man, it's been fun.
Speaker 2:What a trip down memory lane, because josh and I you started 98 98 you were. I was just a couple years behind you, but it feels like you know which. We see each other all the time, but it's, it's just a right there, you know you. You're like I'm retiring now.
Speaker 3:I was like I got two years whatever it was like I'm almost there. It's just a just crazy pretty much all the way through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, together basically until you went to the so but we still though you know both day shifts.
Speaker 3:Of course I went also, you know, thinking oh, I can make more money at this. So then we got as soon as I go to the yeah as soon as you go there, so then the city gets a big pay raise. Yeah, but it's not always about money, you know.
Speaker 4:No, but if you're in your last three years and wanting to bump that high three you're not yeah. Yeah, I know it becomes Sometimes. It ain't worth it, though it's sticking too, long.
Speaker 2:You know what I'll take, I'll go early, and that's what I question people that can go, that still have that 20-year? Oh yeah, why would you not get it? Well, you've got to weigh out and use it. Well, you can, and then go get you a second job if you want to do that still.
Speaker 3:I've done my 20. I've done my 20, and when I retired, I had the intention I wasn't retiring retiring. I retired knowing that I was going back to work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too. I was told by my wife like you're 46 years old, You're not retired, You're not retired.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was a good thing about policing is that was a career that you could get into. Work your 20 years, get into it at 21, be 41 when you retired or 45 or whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go get another retirement. And then go get another retirement.
Speaker 4:Well, that's what like, and it's changed some now, though, they would tell us like, you get that 20 years retire, then you go make money right I mean, and it's been that it's been a pretty cool way to look at it.
Speaker 2:Like that, it's like let your piddly retirement pay your electric bill or whatever, right yeah and that's, that's, but you make you know, it's ours forever and I, no matter what I do, if I change jobs a hundred times, I never start at zero. Right, right.
Speaker 3:I've always got that.
Speaker 2:I've got a salary coming in.
Speaker 3:That's nice to have which they did. Now they changed, changed where.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so the tier that I went into was tier three, and so your insurance is not paid anymore. You get like so much per year of service, and then to get it even close to paying it you'd have to work like 35 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the bad part about it is the benefits. Yeah, 20 years is awesome. Yeah, you don't make as much as you did if you went the full 27 or whatever you need to get to, but it's there.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But when I was one of the last last, I think they changed it real quick, so you were right on the edge because you had a tier 2a tier 2a, I think I was 20
Speaker 4:yeah, I was that and then, after that it was, went to 25 so the tier I was in was 25. If you were hazardous, if you work for a non-hazardous agency, it was like 27 or years of service plus such and such had to equal 80 or whatever I mean which makes it even harder now to get good, and why.
Speaker 3:You know when. What? If the incentives aren't there, why do?
Speaker 2:it and there's and, to be honest, 20 years, yet young. But your body breaks down, man. Oh yeah, I can't turn my head to the right left left anymore my feet. I've got to go get cortisone shots in both my toes now every 90 days.
Speaker 4:It's kind of like the NFL. You don't see these guys quarterbacks. You see them retiring at 40.
Speaker 2:You see them at 30.
Speaker 4:Nobody wants to be out on the street fighting and running.
Speaker 2:You're hearing eight batteries go dead on you. I've got all the old man problems and I'm not even yet 50.
Speaker 4:When you get out of the car and your knee pops loud enough, it makes you drive your gun.
Speaker 3:You got that stuff on the gun belt poking you in the back for 20 years. The incentive has changed.
Speaker 2:People look at it and be like man. That's way too young. There's the way I haven't heard they're trying to. There's a reason.
Speaker 4:And I hope they bring it back. I've heard something push it back. Yeah, I've heard that too. I don't know if it'll make it through. I think it may be a Democrat bill that's coming through, so who knows, didn't they do some buyouts and stuff?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think and stuff and yeah, trying to trying to close that get people on out that can, especially the 20-year guys. So who knows? But we'll say policing's changed a lot, but what they really need to focus on, honestly, is pay fixes a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4:However, but just for benefits.
Speaker 2:The benefit package that we got, compared to what these new guys have, is just not worth it.
Speaker 3:Would you go into it as a 21-year-old right now like that? No.
Speaker 2:You can't.
Speaker 4:And you've got to weigh your mental health also as far as the length of time that you're in it.
Speaker 2:And is my degrading mental health.
Speaker 4:Is it worth the extra two or three hours Of the stuff that?
Speaker 2:we've seen without losing, you can only file so much in that brain before it spills out. 20 years is a good mark, and I still think you need to go talk to some people and do what we're doing right here a full, a full career debriefing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, I've had conversations with my wife and stuff, you know, not really making fun or just kind of making light of something that you've done or whatever, and she's like why would you?
Speaker 4:say that that's terrible yeah, I'm like that's just how you.
Speaker 2:That's how you code wife.
Speaker 4:she's like you're so cold-hearted I said I'm not, though.
Speaker 2:I'm not being serious, it's a decon. We call it like a conditioning yourself to bad and you're just kind of able to prioritize and block stuff out. That really hits you.
Speaker 3:One more quick story on that, kind of on that topic. During that first week before we went to the police academy we were just kind of floating around doing paint and whatever. At the PD 46 comes out on the interstate, tim Smilowood. He's like come on, you can go with me. So we go First call. I'd ever been on as a police officer. Right, we were still waiting to go to the academy. Roll up there's like a head-on at the 38. Some man and woman's heads are smashed through the windshield. They're both dead, it's you know terrible.
Speaker 3:Thing yeah, that's your first call, very first thing I ever saw. Yeah and uh. So we get back in the car and tim's like all right, where you want to eat lunch?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah what is wrong with you? Yeah, it's like I need some time yeah, yeah but you get exactly, but you get there and it's amazing how fast, you get there yeah, and it's, it's. It's funny. You'll be like you'll be standing over a you know a dead body or something.
Speaker 2:You're sitting there saying we're gonna eat, we eating fist again, or yeah, that's like there's only so many times we can go eat mexican, you would think but our night shift, I mean it was, I remember me and Derek and I don't know if we told this story and you might have been working. Daryl Zanet and Rob Mitchell were out way out somewhere on the county line towards Clay County. This old man found out he had cancer and he put a shotgun to his face.
Speaker 3:Is that the one that lived.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I remember. You did tell it, so yeah, so, but that kind of stuff freaks you out and you're like I can't close my, you know that's the ones. I still see in my brain yeah, absolutely. And that's been 20 years ago. That was early in my career. There's still stuff I can smell.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yes, so they always told me the smell the first time you do a death investigation or have to go do a welfare check and yeah, you know it turns out the worst way it can. Yeah, the smell when you enter the room is and they're right, you'll never forget that it is a specific smell.
Speaker 2:I know Up there there's been two calls of smells that I still can't, a bunch of dead dogs in a house that got trapped on Ford Street. That was awful, and then that little old lady up there had died.
Speaker 4:Is that the one that didn't have family close by and they hadn't checked on her in a while? It was horrible. Yeah, yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 2:That one just affected you're like oh yeah they, it's just this just tough, it's a tough business and that's, that's a good point if you've got family relatives that you ain't checked on in a while.
Speaker 4:Check oh yeah, she had been there so long she had melted into the couch rough, and that's the things that you know.
Speaker 2:Another thing with policing and with this, you know, 20 years is about all. Somebody can take a lot of times really, yeah, and then go do something yeah, you got something joyful.
Speaker 3:You gotta make light of it, make the best, yeah I've never.
Speaker 4:I've never been in the military and and you know you've got your tours of duty on that, but you get to come home from that. Yeah, on as far as policing. So I don't want, I don't want to take light of that and with what I'm saying, you know, but you go out every day and see this in the same spot, the same place is the same. It's like a, a tour that never ends, really, I mean yeah the only difference is it could be real bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my first week is cheap. You know, oh, my triple fatal on the interstate and you're like, oh my gosh, it makes national news. I'm like, uh, you know, you just have and it just started and I tell everybody I'm like I had 19 and a half years of awesome policing. And then that last six months was brutal.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a rough six months.
Speaker 2:It was a rough six months Dealing with that. When things happen and people talk and I'm fortunate enough that I've got a great family that check on me and I'm blessed that even my therapist knows that things will trigger and she'll call and reach out and be like hey you doing okay, you need to come in so it's funny, but it's tough everybody needs to decompress.
Speaker 4:With all that being said, don't be ashamed to go talk to somebody.
Speaker 3:It's just part of it it is anything else, or we want to shut it down not that I can think of I'm sure I will as soon as we quit.
Speaker 4:If you're like the rest of us, we think of three more stories as soon as we're done we'll do it again sometime.
Speaker 3:I enjoyed it guys.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. It's been great having you.
Speaker 3:Josh, I enjoyed it. Thank you all.
Speaker 4:Don't be a stranger, we'll see you next time. I did some pre-sign.