Jest Out of Jurisdiction
Law Enforcement / First Responder stories and experiences with a focus on comedic blunders, events, and the lighter side of stressful jobs. Stories are firsthand accounts told by the hosts Flash and T-Dot with accompanying guest interviews.
Jest Out of Jurisdiction
Rock Fights, Glass Pipes, and Wild Rides.
Blue lights from the dead of the night, lying on a run of dim street light, laughing through the written reports. Truth stranger than the wildest courts, tales from the force gone astray, caught up in the games they play. High speed chases gone awry, serious turns into pie in the sky, just out of jurisdiction, left during the conviction All right, everybody.
Speaker 2:Good, I'm ready, we good, yeah, good, all right, we're back with you guys. We've got two guests with us today. Jake's back with us and we're going to try attempt number two here with Joey, since our first attempt failed so miserably.
Speaker 4:It's just my luck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a black cloud.
Speaker 4:It still follows me.
Speaker 2:It's not surprising that he tore up the recorder the last time he was here.
Speaker 5:That's just part of good job.
Speaker 4:Tear up an anvil with a toothpick no that's true, I had a blowout last week on the interstate Mill and.
Speaker 5:I that happens, yeah. Happens to you a lot blowouts, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Without further ado, we've got Joey Robinson back with us, back for the first time Back.
Speaker 3:For the first time Back for the first time.
Speaker 2:yeah, We'll try and piece in some of his original interview here and there. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 5:Yeah, welcome. We're glad you're here, joey. I worked with him for what? Three or four years, I guess at the PD. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, two, two, two and a half Interesting. Oh no, it felt like ten years.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it did so. We had some good times, that's for sure, Actually.
Speaker 4:I think it was three years. I came over in 2020 and left in 23.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I left in 23.
Speaker 3:Didn't you 2020 and left in 23 yeah but I left in 20 didn't do it yeah usually we all left in 23.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is yes this is this is the closest, I think that we're gonna get to getting the squad back together as far as what it was and its intensity. So, let's go back, let's start. How did you get into policing?
Speaker 4:So when I was in high school I studied I wanted to be a firefighter. I about said firetard, it's just a normal one.
Speaker 5:Well, that is, yeah, it is what they are.
Speaker 4:I wanted to do that, and in high school I was studying my EMT classes when I graduated high school. I remember I graduated on Saturday. The following Monday I started riding the buggy and then dispatching. Within the same week I started dispatching the amulet service. Then I done a little six-month stint, full-time at the fire department while I still worked at the amulet service and then dispatched. And then I done court security when I first turned 21. I done court security for six months or less and I just couldn't sit in a building.
Speaker 2:I couldn't imagine that you would have a hard time sitting in one. I struggled.
Speaker 4:And it wasn't a terrible job. I'm just not lazy, I can't sit there and just check people in and then I went back to EMS. After I quit that, I stayed at EMS pretty much the whole time, just worked part-time, other jobs, and then in 2018, the day my son was born I got hired on at the sheriff's office.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so to go to the academy or just working.
Speaker 4:No, I worked. They hired me. It um a little bit wild. I knew all the radio lingo. I'd rode with several guys back in the day mikey ashhurst and tyler morris, and I don't remember who else I rode with while I was dispatching because I didn't have anything else better to do and I was a night shift junkie. You had a night owl, so I started.
Speaker 3:I think it was on a Monday morning.
Speaker 4:My first complaint ever was a wreck down in Corbin. I lived in London and I was sitting there waiting at the sheriff's office, my sergeant that I was supposed to be training under. He yells at me on the radio and I said go ahead. He said you care to go ahead and respond to that? So I responded down there, and the whole time he thought I'd been issued a cruiser already. Well, I hadn't been. I was still in my POV. I show up.
Speaker 2:Shows up his old beat-up.
Speaker 4:Yep, I showed up I had my full get-up on full uniform and stuff. It didn't fit me right. You know his leftovers.
Speaker 2:It looked like a trash bag.
Speaker 4:Yeah it looked pretty rough.
Speaker 5:What kind of vehicle did you respond in? It was a black Chevy Avalanche. Okay.
Speaker 2:Blacked out. Nothing says police like a black Chevy Avalanche.
Speaker 4:No, I mean Did you do the siren out the window? No, I mean, did you do the siren out the window? No, I actually Spongebob I think I had lights in it from being on the fire department. I didn't run signal nine down there because I didn't want to get in trouble. I was brand new. But when I got there I turned my lights on. The firefighters may have thought I was a firefighter and they see me in the uniform. They're like what the heck? You've completely mind blown everybody.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 4:I start working this rig. I didn't really know what I was doing, but I knew the gist of it, get all the information. It didn't turn into a fatality, but it was real close or it may, I don't remember, but it was real bad. About an hour later later, my sergeant I supposed to be riding with shows up and say where's your cruiser? I ain't got one.
Speaker 2:He said oh my god like he went mad, but he just didn't realize it.
Speaker 5:Well, that's not unusual that you put out on the street, he probably wouldn't have sent you.
Speaker 4:He'd probably been sent somebody else. They wouldn't nobody else. So I we worked that Rick and come back to the sheriff's office and they issued me a cruiser and whatever. I rode with him for one day and then the second day I rode with Grigsby mm-hmm, he was a good guy, I like.
Speaker 5:Danville.
Speaker 4:Danville, danville, detective right yeah, he taught me quite a bit. And then my third day, I was on my own there you go, third day third day.
Speaker 2:That's how it goes with the sheriff's office.
Speaker 4:Yeah, at six o'clock in the morning I called. Well, it was before six. I was out an hour early. You know how I am soon as six o'clock hit my first traffic stop first of many, yeah, is that like 6 o 2 in the morning.
Speaker 4:I was coming down south 25 and I was like that looks like a good one. I didn't have any idea what I was doing. I ran the tag on it, I was like this driver might have a warrant. So I found the violation, pulled him over and it down there first and the jail was the old jail at the time in town and I'll never forget. I walked up, asked for his driver's license. It was for sure him. I asked him to step out. He's a big, big guy and I was like, oh my god, this is my first person I've ever wrestled out on my own I was scared to death first traffic stop first traffic stop, and whenever I was putting handcuffs on, I was shaking so bad like I.
Speaker 4:It's like I couldn't even get them put on the right way. I had no idea. I didn't even know how handcuffs really worked.
Speaker 2:It's uh I mean it's just, you mean you didn't, you didn't hold I forgot how it worked?
Speaker 5:no, like I was I have to remind myself every day uh, what's this double walking thing? I forget that, yeah, yeah, I didn't know none of that yeah, that's pretty much.
Speaker 4:That's just a suggestion how my, my career started um, and then from there is. I worked for six months, had a lot of wild experiences. Before they had me, I went to the Academy and I'm like it's pretty boring. How long was it before you went to the Academy?
Speaker 5:six months, six months what you found out in the Academy was like oh yeah especially but I will say
Speaker 2:that you had having that experience, would you say that it made it easier to understand what was going on in the academy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, it made it way easier um you had more of a grasp on the only thing I struggled with the academy was the ui everybody struggles with that.
Speaker 3:I didn't know none of that stuff. Winston Academy was DUI. Everybody struggles with that. I didn't know none of that stuff. I charge people with DUI. Yeah, I mean that's right.
Speaker 4:I mean like I'd yell at somebody that's certified and they'd come out and do their thing. They're like yep, they're DUI, take them Jill.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean that would happen a lot anyways, because somebody would lose their certification.
Speaker 4:They'd let it lapse and they'd have to holler at one of us to come to their field.
Speaker 2:Sobriety and all that or run the machine. Can't tell how many times somebody, a trooper or somebody called and you had to go run the intoxilizer for them at the jail.
Speaker 4:That's one thing I never did. Like Intoxilizer, I like the purpose of it, but it's so slow it takes forever. I ain't got the patience for it.
Speaker 5:So you'd rather go sit at the hospital for 2-3 hours?
Speaker 4:no, I had to hook up there. I don't think I ever sat there for more than 30-45 minutes and most of that time was reading implied consent it took me forever to type the citation, just because I wasn't good at it.
Speaker 2:And I'd have to go back and take my first book. That never changed, did it?
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 5:I remember getting all the like sitting at the hospital and asking you know, if they want their lawyer, call their lawyer. And I would have certain lawyers that they always called on speed dial basically Be like okay, here you go.
Speaker 4:They never answered whenever we were out.
Speaker 2:I had one that his lawyer was there already and he walked out and just happened to see him. So he got in the back seat with him and was sitting there talking and he's like do I need to take this test or what? Do I need to refuse it? And he goes I don't know, are you drunk? And he goes yeah, and he goes shut up. He looked at me and he's like that's attorney client privilege and I was like not in my back seat the citation says client admitted to the lawyer privileged.
Speaker 4:I was like, not in my backseat, he said. The citation says client admitted to the lawyer.
Speaker 2:He ended up refusing, but it was still, I mean, classic. But yeah, blood was better to go with, just on the fact that when you went to court, it's hard to argue blood Always. You could argue so many little different things on the intoxilizer. Was it in, any little thing would trip you up. Was it at 0.04 or you know, whatever the 0.4, whatever the ignorance had to be at, I can't remember now, I barely remember. Then I still don't know.
Speaker 5:Yeah if I went back now and I would have to go back through the full 40 hours dui class and the first time I took that because that, because I've not been certified in it in so long they're not going to send me. If they were sending this in-service I'd be like, well, I quit. I figured out last year because I had to do it.
Speaker 6:It's only 24 hours, is it?
Speaker 5:That's too bad. I failed it when I was in the academy.
Speaker 2:I failed the oh, they do it in three days. Now I failed the.
Speaker 5:I was too fast on the the stagmas the stagmas. I was counting, you know you count out. I struggled with that thing, so when you're nervous getting tested on it, I went through all the steps perfectly, but instead of one, two, you know, counting out, what is it? Four, five six.
Speaker 2:It's a four, count Four count.
Speaker 5:I was like one, two, three, four, you know, back over and it was fine and you know I had to retest. But boy, I was nervous Because if I failed again I was out of the academy. Yeah, and I was me. Yeah, and I was a. There were certain sections I think dui sections was a. You got one shot. It wasn't skills or nothing like that, but I was like oh my gosh one more.
Speaker 4:They made one more fail, and it was I'm out.
Speaker 5:It was fast paced right and then when I went in there and did it I think danny was my subject, I was testing and then they were like slow down, take your time. I was counting like for 15 seconds. They're like yeah, just held it way out there forever. You're good, all right, I was like gosh, but I was stressing. You know, they put some weird stress on you.
Speaker 4:It is definitely different. The stress For the DUI portion for me, it my portion for me was the worst. I mean, that's just.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a lot and they do run you through that mock trial on it and you've got to. There's just so much you've got to remember.
Speaker 4:I didn't struggle with the mock trial. I guess I was just a smart aleck to them and they just stopped messing with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6:I don't see that, Joey.
Speaker 4:I was, which I've been in court yet they hadn't worked the road Heck. I'd been in court every Tuesday morning for six months before I went to the academy, had to leave the academy a couple times to go to court, and really in our area we had a lot more drug-related DUIs anyways Not a lot of them were alcohol or they were both.
Speaker 2:You remember the guy that hit the flagpole and took out the light in front of the courthouse?
Speaker 6:The courthouse yeah.
Speaker 2:He gets out and he's like no man, I've not had anything. He's got yellow powder all over his mustache and nose. It's like no man, I ain't got snorting Xanaxes.
Speaker 5:Yeah, my favorite is when you see somebody and you're like you've not been snorting anything. No, sir, and there's a half a pill hanging out of them. Yes, you're like you didn't crush that enough. Good enough, I was in a hurry.
Speaker 3:I saw you back there. I was at Skittles earlier.
Speaker 4:That brings up a good story I've got. I was at Sheriff's Office. I don't even think I'd been to the academy either. I was on Hal Rogers Parkway in front of the high school and there was a lady pulled up next to me and she's doing that, you know just. I mean all over the place Tweaking, yeah, tweaking, doing all like, and I was parked right beside her and I was like gosh, she's a wreck man, like I could tell she was high just from looking at her in the driver's seat, before she even got out or anything. So the light turns green and I sit there. I was waiting for her to go. You know how somebody they won't go first no
Speaker 4:so I just put it in reverse and she starts going. There wasn't nobody in front of us, it's in the middle of the day and I stop her right in front of the mobile home place, going east past the high school. I don't know what the name of that place is, but anyways, I stop her and I walk up to the windows. Amy, you got your driver's license and insurance registration. You know, I still knew I was trying to be professional and she starts cussing me all to pieces. Why do you stop me? Yada, yada, yada, I was like well, ma'am.
Speaker 4:I was like you're so high, you can't hold your composure. I said something like that and I asked her to step out, and I'm not joking. The fight was on and she had her mom, who was like 90 years old, in the passenger seat it.
Speaker 2:Do you have to fight her too? No, I didn't have to fight her.
Speaker 4:She broke out that cane, but she tried to she tried to take off on me and I think I can't remember exactly how it went down. I think her mom handed me the keys, like, pulled them out of the ignition and I finally got her out of the car and we were right in the middle, how rogers, on the yellow line, and I remember there was one car that went past us and another car that like so they were splitting us and we were duking it out right. I mean, we were on the ground and I yelled for help, uh, and I think ashley showed up. Um, after I had her cuffed and we were both laying in the over on the other side in the ditch. I was out of breath. She was out of breath and Ashley walked up.
Speaker 4:She said what in the world is going on, joey, and I said well, she's obviously high and I think I can't remember what language I used in front of Ashley and I said gosh, I'm sorry, I said that that reminds me you've got a habit of going in the ditch, wasn't it the wouldn't you?
Speaker 2:and that mexican that ended up in the ditch?
Speaker 4:I forgot, yes I forgot about that. Oh my god. Yeah, we gotta tell that one. Well, that's fresh. I don't remember. It was somebody else's who was training webb, it wasn't me maybe I can't remember exactly who it was. It was Gary and somebody wasn't it yeah because Gary was out with us. I worked at the sheriff's office. Then it was me and little John and I just showed up to. I seen them stop. You know common courtesy If they got somebody out of the vehicle and it's just one cruiser there.
Speaker 4:You stop to make sure they're good. So I stopped. And I was just one cruiser there, you stop to make sure they're good. So I stopped and uh, I was just talking this guy I can't remember, he might have been ben or somebody and uh, he was talking to the passenger. I was talking to the driver at the back of the truck bed and I asked him. I said I was trying to ask the hispanic guy. He was, you know, all spread out with his hands on the truck bed.
Speaker 3:I was was like do you have any weapons? No, he was plastered too.
Speaker 2:Yeah he was hammered dry.
Speaker 4:I said any pistolas? Yeah, see, see. And he starts reaching down. Well, my natural instinct was oh crap, he's got a gun. He just remembered it, he's going to go for the gun. So I tried to take him down. And whenever I tried to take them down, it was on an incline right in front of the post office and we fell into that. There's cattails, or whatever they're called. They're still sticking up there.
Speaker 2:It's a huge ditch, I mean, and it was.
Speaker 5:It's a culvert. Really Catch bass in there, yeah.
Speaker 4:They wouldn't taste very good, if you'd appreciate it. It was like bar, like oily mud, I don't know what you would call it, but I fell in that and I look up after I get the guy cuffed. I mean we both were covered in mud and Ben's just sitting there laughing at me.
Speaker 2:I was like thanks for the help, bro. Thanks for the help dude.
Speaker 5:You always end up covered in some kind of mud.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it wasn't really a fight, but he just wouldn't comply Like I just don't. He was a stout, you know, probably bricklayer or something.
Speaker 5:Did you all run? Did you run a uniform?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I destroyed. Was you in Class A that time?
Speaker 5:Yep, always, because you was at Sheriff's House. They always did. Yeah, I was, while we're on the uniform, destroying the one up there at the dollar store across the and the one up there at the dollar store across the, and I don't know why, because we were in class B's and I remember you all come down.
Speaker 4:Yeah they called me out.
Speaker 5:But, I think Jake or somebody thought we're wearing class A's for a while it wasn't Jake.
Speaker 4:It had to be. He never said we were wearing class A's, unless Well he was the sergeant on that shift.
Speaker 5:For whatever reason, maybe you went to court that day that's what I was.
Speaker 3:You were at court and went to the gym and I called you out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and you were still in that uniform.
Speaker 4:Yeah, everybody knew. You know, before work I was at the gym, usually about three o'clock you were easy to call out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because you were already out I didn't have to.
Speaker 4:You know, worry, I had my uniform at the gym with me. Usually they called me out and I, I remember, for some reason I was like I need to get to my cruiser, so I didn't change out at the gym, I I just threw all my crap back in my cruiser and I was on my way to the pd because I I wanted to keep my radio on and be listening what was going on. And I get to the pd and I think all the calls were caught up at that point but there's like three or four guys that were 1015, which means in custody with other people and you called and he was like man, we're short staffed, somebody caught.
Speaker 4:I think it was you. It's like you care to come out or that's like, no, I don't care. So I go to the PD. I change out real quick and not like it was early. You know, I just got out of the gym so I was trying to. I wasn't really trying to take it easy, but I just went up to dispatch, was kind of hanging out trying to stay in the loop of everything that was going on getting caught up on what everybody was doing.
Speaker 2:I think the reason for that was that was the day that they had the juvenile that they thought had been kidnapped.
Speaker 4:Yep, that was it.
Speaker 2:And drowned, and murdered and thrown in the lake.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that was yeah, we was busy.
Speaker 2:Ended up being. She just ran away and was hiding at her boyfriend's house.
Speaker 5:But we were all going, holler, we were in and we just needed more help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it looked really bad from the beginning.
Speaker 4:So you know, obviously I'm at dispatch and they get a call from the dollar store there on North Main Street. They got a shoplifter. Nine times out of ten you go to the shoplifter. They're either gone or it's just a citation. You let go most of the time from the dollar store. If they just wanted their stuff back, they didn't even want them charged. So I show up and I think it's the manager or one of the workers. She's right here.
Speaker 4:She's about to come out. So I get out of my car, I flag her over there. She's compliant, she comes over there. I was like, ma'am, you know, this is why I'm here. You are accused of shoplifting. Yada, yada, yada. She said I ain't stole nothing. I'm like well, set your purse on the hood of my car. I said we'll sit down, talk about it. I was trying to be chill with her.
Speaker 4:So she sets her purse on the hood of my car and she darts or takes off running, and at the time they were doing construction on main street in front of the dollar store across the street, yeah, they tore down a building and they were making a parking lot and it was nothing but mud, just swampy mud, whatever you want to say. So I, um, I get to chasing her. She throws her meth pipe out of her bra as we're running across Main Street. You can hear it cracking. I'm like, well, she's probably got drugs on her.
Speaker 4:As I'm running, I told myself I was like I don't want to tackle her in the middle of the road. So I was like I'll catch her when she hits this muddy field. I didn't think it was that muddy. It had been raining like all morning or something, so I get or something, so I get her in the in that muddy field whatever you want to call it a tackler and we get to rolling around and I mean, I think that was worse than a crossword in the post office when it comes to mud. Just, I had it inside my vest, my radio didn't work, my holster was jacked up, you had about $1,000 worth of damage to your equipment.
Speaker 4:I can't remember the exact quote that we quoted out, but it was definitely felony, criminal mischief or close.
Speaker 2:It was probably like $3,000 at the restitution that he had.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a lot Run fast, run gun, but the whole moral of the story behind all that is they called me out To be there to take calls. I take one call and I'm out of service for three hours. My uniforms destroy I couldn't even what did we? Have to go to the hospital after that? I don't, probably, who knows, there's so many.
Speaker 5:I don't think we went to the hospital after that one, but that was the nature of our life it was yeah, we should have probably just set up a station two at the hospital, as much as we were there, we just need to hire a nurse.
Speaker 4:I mean really, we really did yeah we or somebody you know, we had a lot of a lot of craziness was you with us back to that culvert?
Speaker 2:was you with us during during?
Speaker 4:covid, oh yeah, I was training under T-Doc. Which time.
Speaker 2:When we got bored and decided we was going to go caving under 192.
Speaker 4:No he wouldn't listen. No, I wouldn't either.
Speaker 2:It's a wonder we're not all still down there. I have seen Sid Colbert and the bath. So we went in back behind we explored it, wouldn't I, because there was nothing else going on. It was a stupid move on our part. Now that you look, back at it because it took us forever to get back out Was y'all looking for homeless. Yeah, well, that was kind of.
Speaker 6:We heard they were using the tunnels, so we just wanted to see what these tunnels they were talking about.
Speaker 2:So we got in and behind the post office back there and walked it all the way we were under like the old kmart parking lot, like that's where we were.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we were a good hundred yards back in there, yeah like at one point we knew that we were over 192.
Speaker 2:We could hear traffic coming over top of us.
Speaker 5:Don't mind that noise. Joey's doing work.
Speaker 4:I was. It just brought up another memory.
Speaker 5:Joey's writing down.
Speaker 2:I couldn't remember if he was with us or not, but I started thinking about that when you was talking about the car.
Speaker 4:I wasn't there, but there was somebody I chased down there and they tried to hit the tunnel.
Speaker 2:I can't remember, and there's a huge like you have to really navigate to get in there because it's a pond basically below it.
Speaker 5:I think if people knew, really knew I know there's a lot of talk about helping the homeless right now If they knew how elaborate some of these camps were in town, behind people's yards, they would freak out right now. If they knew how elaborate some of these camps were in town, behind people's yards, they would freak out right now.
Speaker 4:Well, that bathing station that they had right behind the post office. It was probably the cleanest water in town. I mean they were. They would just leave shampoo and soap and, yes, where they would bath.
Speaker 5:I mean we even in the wintertime. I'm like gosh, yeah they. They are the places like up by the interstate that have I told the story about when Pence was in town and the homeless guy popped out from underneath this, this that during the detail during the detail no. I've not heard that so so vice president Pence flew in. It was you on those details.
Speaker 4:I was, but I wasn't in that area.
Speaker 6:I was but I was on light duty.
Speaker 5:Then he flew in twice. This was the second one. We must have been having a governor's election and they were campaigning for him he flies in. My detail was to stop traffic on 192 right at the interstate and the interstate was shut down. The detail, or I guess they were heading down towards Corbin and then they were going to turn around head back towards Lexington or something like that. Yeah, and then they were going to turn around head back towards Lexington, or something like that yeah.
Speaker 5:And so my detail was right there at the exit 38, stopping everything on 192, coming into town and I'd tell people. I'd be like, hey, the convoys, you know they're coming through here. If y'all want to turn around, you can. If not, he's going to turn right here. It'd be cool to. If y'all want pictures, whatever, just stand right here. It's pretty awesome, right. I was like, yeah, they're going to go by. Well, it gets quiet. You could see them coming. They were hammered down on 192. And all of a sudden they get up to about the bridge and one of them homeless guys the state police was supposed to have checked under the bridges and cleared. Everything pops out, walks up. What is that? What's going on? I mean, he obviously thought that the rapture had happened and we all got caught up, except for me and him, I guess.
Speaker 4:Well, y'all made us sleep down here. We got to make a lunch racket.
Speaker 3:You're doing it in my yard. It's too quiet, I can't sleep.
Speaker 5:So he pops out and I draw down Because I didn't know who he was. I said, oh my gosh, he's on the wrong side of the road. He pops out from underneath the bridge there and comes out to the guardrail and I've gun drawn at this point and Scotty Pennington, with the state police, was leading the convoy there, heading down. What do they call that? Their envoy or whatever they call that, with the limousines and stuff. Their entourage was heading south and he stops and the whole everybody stops and I'm at gunpoint because they really didn't want to go crossfire. So I just I put it back in my holster. I said you stand right there. It's a lot apparent. You know Scotty's on the radio and talking to the command post and they're all freaking out. And I just put my gun back in my pocket and pop a salute at the first time I'm walking and I was like I'm going to kill this guy.
Speaker 5:Nothing to see here, boys. Don't worry buddy, go, go, go, go go.
Speaker 2:I wonder what he was saying he's like what's that idiot doing he was saying don't worry about it, he was a marine, it's only a box of crayons, he'll be alright, he's hungry.
Speaker 5:He's like what's that? Idiot doing I'm sure he was saying don't worry about it, he was a Marine, it's only a box of crayons, He'll be all right, he's hungry. Oh my gosh, I don't know. I mean, it was just like what are you doing? And then I'm like what am I doing? I'm pointing a gun towards the convoy. Oh ridiculousness. Well, well, what do you do? It's fun times.
Speaker 4:There is some fun times, for sure.
Speaker 5:You came up to the PD I've said on your hiring, was you on that board too when he got hired, jake?
Speaker 6:No, I was only on one hiring board, I wasn't allowed to do it after that. I got in trouble for laughing during it. Whose was it? I don't remember the guy. We didn't end up hiring him.
Speaker 2:I remember who it was. Then I was cracking jokes. It was hard for me.
Speaker 6:I looked up and Derek was mean mugging me. I was like, well, this is the last time I'll be doing this.
Speaker 4:My interview was rough, just not in a bad way. I knew everybody. I was trying to be professional, professional, but I knew how everybody acted.
Speaker 2:You had council members, you would think that would make it easier, but it makes it much harder Because you're like all these people know that I'm lying right now.
Speaker 5:Why do you think you'll be a good fit here for the PD? Because ha ha ha.
Speaker 4:That kind of stuff. I think I use you Well, you all know I think I use you Well, you all know me yeah. I use that 100 times.
Speaker 5:So he gets hired and right away I guess I had you, yeah, pretty quick, and we stayed. Just crazy stuff happened. It was COVID, it was COVID, and we didn't have a lot going on.
Speaker 4:But when we did have something going, on.
Speaker 2:Oh man, it was stupid.
Speaker 5:Right off the bat we was looking at maybe investigating a murder. We had our tasers issued back to us.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's when the Patrick story.
Speaker 5:Did Patrick tell that one didn't he? Yeah, he did.
Speaker 4:That was a fun time he had been policing. He had been policing longer than me but I'd probably tased I don't know how many people at that point from the sheriff's office and we were funneling down that hallway and I don't know if he told it. You can still listen on the video. I was like Patrick, tase him, tase him, tase him, tase him because I wanted. I had lethal and he had less lethal because he had never tased anybody and that was, I think we joked about it before.
Speaker 3:I was like these are going to get used today we were just joking and I'd be danged if we didn't get it yeah, right off the, we just finished training it was like two hours later.
Speaker 5:It was like our next call basically.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 5:It was wild. Me and Joey ended up sitting at the hospital for like four hours and that's horrible.
Speaker 4:It's really hard for me to even sit still in one place. You're lucky I'm sitting still here.
Speaker 2:Joey's, basically the only crackhead that I've ever seen that doesn't use crack.
Speaker 6:That's why I used to tell him he's the most interesting creature I've ever seen. That's why he was so good at hunting dope. I couldn't sit still.
Speaker 2:He had their brain, he's got math brain, I mean whatever you want to call it, it worked.
Speaker 4:It did work. I mean, I feel like I could. I got pretty decent at interviewing folks for a bit and then it's like we had good times. Oh yeah, we had a lot of dope.
Speaker 5:Let's hear some more stories.
Speaker 2:I know you got a whole computer full of stuff. I know the last time you was here a good one that you told was the rock fight. We've got to hear the rock fight.
Speaker 4:Well, I have to rewind back to whenever I worked at the sheriff's office. It happened then I can't remember if I'd been to the academy or I hadn't I was still new either way. And we get a call like a refusal to leave or somebody intoxicated in somebody's yard or whatever, and I pull up and I'm like man, where's this person at?
Speaker 3:you most?
Speaker 4:of the time you go to a complaint like that, you can't find them right. I mean, they're long gone by the time you get there, especially at the sheriff's office, because sometimes you come from way out. I don't know where I came from, but I got there fairly quick and I was looking for this. It's a female. I was looking for her. Finally I spot her. She's up in the tree. I'm like this is odd.
Speaker 3:I don't even know if this is the right person.
Speaker 4:Then I watched her for a minute. Actually, whenever I pulled in the driveway I was too far committed at that point, because it was kind of a longer driveway and I was like I don't know where this person's at and I seen her, I was like uh-oh, I'm close to her. It's like probably 15 yards, 20 yards away. So I get out of my car and as soon as I got out I heard a ping. I was like well, I don't know what that was it. As soon as I got, on, I heard a ping.
Speaker 3:I was like I don't know, what that was.
Speaker 2:It sounded weird. Acres falling yeah, I was like you've got to be careful of the acres, might have lost magazine. Yeah, I was like that sounded weird.
Speaker 4:I don't know what that was. I started trying to call her out and I heard ping ping.
Speaker 3:I was like what in the world.
Speaker 4:Then I noticed she was throwing something at me and then she threw a bigger rock and I don't know if it busted my windshield or cracked it or chipped it or something. I remember I did have to get my windshield replaced a couple weeks after that and then it turned into she wasn't listening to anything I was saying. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 5:So she, she knew you was probably coming, and what, so she packed a pocket full of gravels up with her.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they were rocks and it wasn't the normal little tiny gravels. I mean they were. I don't know the grade of rocks, but some of them were bigger than others. It wasn't Vince's grade. No, no, I mean still, I was like what the heck? She had a quarry with her. Yeah, I mean I can't remember if it was coveralls or big old pockets, big jacket. It was cold outside, I remember that. But I didn't know what to do. I didn't want to get closer to her, because I mean.
Speaker 3:I didn't know how big a rock she had, so I just started.
Speaker 4:I was like well here you go, pick some rocks up, throw them back at her. So I started you trying to snap her out of the dream of the rock. I did. I mean there's a couple, I think. I made contact because I heard ow and she started cussing me or whatever finally, uh, I mean, we kept rock fighting and dispatch you know they done status check every five.
Speaker 2:How long did this rock fight occur? Well, I've been on scene or in the area for five minutes.
Speaker 4:And how long did this rock fight occur? Well, I've been in there for five minutes and I found her probably within a minute or two. I'd say you got probably three good minutes of us just.
Speaker 2:Chucking rocks.
Speaker 4:It got to the point where I was like I'm glad you didn't mention that in the interview. I think I mean it was Chucking rocks. Do we get issued? I'm glad you didn't mention that in the interview.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I mean it was a rock fight. Do we get issued stones?
Speaker 5:It got to the point where I was looking around it is a sling it up.
Speaker 4:I would like duck in behind my cruiser and try to find a decent rock to throw at her. You know you don't want to find one. That's real little that the wind's going to mess with.
Speaker 4:You've got to find the right one. But finally I was just like, well, this ain't gonna, this ain't doing nothing, so I can't remember if she slipped or she got down a little bit lower, um, and well, dispatch status checked me. I was like you're 10-4? And I was like, yeah, I'm 10-4, just having a rock fight. And they said 10-9. I said, yeah, we're having a rock fight here, I'm 10-4, just having a rock fight. And they said 10-9?. I said, yeah, we're having a rock fight here, I'm 10-4. And I think it was Bunch. He's like 34, did you say you were having a?
Speaker 4:rock fight. I was like 10-4.
Speaker 3:He said units, you copy.
Speaker 4:I guess he and I try my best most of the time to stay keep my composure on the radio. That was fun. It wasn't really intense until, uh, she got. She got a little bit lower to the ground and I was like, well, there's only one way to end this. I'm gonna pop her with my taser so she threw a rock missed me and I ran up, popped her with my taser as she fell out of the tree. Um it wasn't that high.
Speaker 2:I don't remember three or four foot still going to end up in a hospital trip, no matter what it was, yeah, it did just a.
Speaker 4:CYA, if nothing else, when she fell out of the tree. She done something to her ankle and let me tell you I'd seen a lot of high people in my time. She was probably up there. I showed you the video earlier.
Speaker 2:She just oh, was that her screen yet.
Speaker 4:I mean she was wild so I took her to the hospital. There I think nothing wrong with her. She may have bruised her ankle. I took her to jail, but the whole time to jail she's just screaming. I mean bloody murder all the way to jail. But that was one of of my adventures where you know you never really know what you're going to get when you get called out stuff like that, especially at the sheriff's office. You know, I don't think anybody even came to me. They just asked what happened out there.
Speaker 3:You know she's checking rocks, yeah, she just I didn't know what else to do.
Speaker 4:They don't teach you that stuff. I can't remember if I've been to the academy or not, but they ain that in the academy either. What do you? Do if somebody has a rock throwing at you? You?
Speaker 6:throw them back. Yeah, you throw them back. I meant Duh Load up. Yeah, I meant.
Speaker 4:I think she became a regular there for a while in that area, us dealing with it.
Speaker 2:We had a lot of regulars.
Speaker 4:I can't remember her name. That's hilarious. That was one of my many of like what the hell do I do here? Yeah, that's insane. I mean it's just, it was my. I guess you could say if I went to complain? You know, I would always hope for the best, but it seemed like it never went as planned. There was something always crazy. Hardly ever, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2:There was something always crazy, partly ever I mean, I don't know A lot of it is the dissemination of information that you get from a caller to dispatch and then them trying to interpret it and get it out to you as accurately as possible. Sometimes it's dead on the money and sometimes it's not.
Speaker 4:Look at this how many times have you went to somebody like walking around in the yard no-transcript I can't remember what the actual details of it was and you show up and they're like I'm just walking through the yard. You don't even find them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, I probably could have easily just drove through there and not seen her.
Speaker 3:But that just wasn't the type of cop I was. If somebody called, I actually try to at least help and do the right thing.
Speaker 4:We worked with a couple guys that I had, 98 didn't find her.
Speaker 2:Whatever they didn't look up no you had another incident where it didn't turn out what it seemed, didn't you?
Speaker 6:Which one?
Speaker 2:With that welfare check the female.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, this is another sheriff's office incident, but this residence was like you could see the city limits and it was 6 o'clock in the morning. I called 10-8. Usually if you call 10-8 and they say break, they've had a call holding for a while. Yeah, did not shift guys. I mean nothing against him.
Speaker 5:They usually one or two of them out at night yeah, I mean they go home, just keep up the call, yeah they was ready to go home.
Speaker 4:So I call 10-8. They're like break and I said go, that's welfare check out at a residence just outside the city limits. It's like it's been holding for I can't remember how long, not very long, an hour or two. So I show up, there's some lights on in the house and I walk up to the door and I hear I see this lady walking around the living room and I hear bang, bang, bang. It sounded like at first I thought it was outside, but then, the more I listened, it was in the basement and I was like step out here. I'm just here to check on you. She's like I can't. I'm like what do you mean? You can't. And I was like uh-oh, she's like I can't. I was like well, open your door, honey. She's like I can't. I'm like what do you mean? You can't? The guy padlocked the door from inside and had the keys, so she couldn't get out. The back door was the same way. According to her, I never went to the back door to check, but later on I found out it was padlocked.
Speaker 4:She couldn't get out of the house. So I uh. Later on I found out it was padlock. She couldn't get out of the house. Uh, so I was like, well, now you got a dispatch. I was like london, I don't know what I got going on here, but this lady said she can't exit the house and there's somebody downstairs beating on something. I don't know what it is and that's the exact terminology I used. I was pretty straightforward on the radio and they're like all right, we'll try to get you some units in route um my day shift I was on the
Speaker 4:day shift. At that time. Uh, I think they tried to yell at the sergeant. He I can't remember if he was on his way, but from corbin or he something happened. It was just me. So I knew they had people on the way and I kicked the door open because I couldn't open it. At first I tried just shoulder checking it, it wouldn't work. Well, when I kicked the door open, it split in half, and I guess right above where the padlock was, and I went to push it open and I busted my head wide open somewhere. I had.
Speaker 4:I mean there's blood coming down my forehead and I got her out and I said go get my car.
Speaker 4:Well, she runs and gets in my car, all right, she gets in the driver's seat. And I was like, oh my gosh, I got something downstairs bait beating on something. So I started trying to call him out. I was like I'm not about to go in this house. And he comes up the stairs I mean, I can't remember what he's saying cussing, raging. He had some type of rock music playing downstairs which I couldn't hear it outside. But after the door was open it was like crazy music.
Speaker 4:He comes running at me swinging this big old pole and at that time the door was broke open, like you couldn't close it or nothing. And I was standing on the front porch at this time and I went to back up. I was trying to pull my taser out and I fell off the porch. And I was falling off the porch. I think I hit the ground first, I tased him and he dropped it. But that's one of them situations where it could have ended real bad for one of the two of us, absolutely, um, because in the, in the midst of it, you don't really know what's going on. You just roll with the motions, but looking back at him like god, I'm out of here if that guy that door wouldn't have been like halfway broken where he was struggling to get out of it.
Speaker 4:He could have destroyed me because it's a big old, it's a long metal pole with some I don't know a makeshift, I wouldn't say hatchet, but a homemade hatchet, I guess was it a breaching device, a battle axe, if you will, it's something like that.
Speaker 3:It was something with a sharp bend on it, but I like looking back at it now.
Speaker 4:I was like man that could have been and I mean I, I tased him, got him detained and all that. He had to go to the hospital. I think he went to the hospital for some psych issues, obviously, and then we ended up taking him to jail and he didn't remember any of it, allegedly. Wow, after he sobered up he was gone.
Speaker 5:I wonder if she would have relayed that of being kidnapped here when she called.
Speaker 4:I don't know that she called. I can't remember all the little fine details, but I think somebody else had called to check on her. They hadn't heard from her in a couple of days or something like that. Wow, scary. Yeah, I mean, I was by myself. The city showed up, you know, after the mess was over, which nothing against them, I mean, it's just right on time. Yeah, they showed up. I think the lady she hadn't she'd been beaten pretty bad. Yeah, lady, she hadn't she, she'd been beaten pretty bad. It was pretty and she's an older woman.
Speaker 4:It was the son and that was her the mother. I believe her, something like that.
Speaker 2:Jeez, okay, we've had, I mean we had quite a few calls us working together. That could have been a lot more.
Speaker 4:That were a lot more dangerous than we realized at the time, speaking, that you tell the um. It sounds better when you tell the story.
Speaker 2:The west 80, the scabies, yeah yeah, so this was we were we were in our prime of of hunting dope at this time and joey had a guy pulled over and we kind of we tried to stay close to each other that way, because unless you're joey, you don't search a vehicle by yourself. Wow.
Speaker 5:Dangerous.
Speaker 2:It's definitely an officer safety issue it for sure is.
Speaker 6:He doesn't very well either. I try.
Speaker 4:He tried, but you know, when other guys are busy doing their own thing, sometimes you just it's not smart. I don't recommend that anybody steal places.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So we would holler at each other to two up and if somebody called and said, hey, two with me, you knew that he was getting ready to search a vehicle. For the most part, and twoing up is just meeting up. That's what we would. Anytime you see a set of cruisers in a parking lot and they're window to window, they're twoed up. So Joey hollers, he says hey, I've got one. He calls out on his traffic stop and he says somebody take it with me. He gets this. And this guy's squirrely, he didn't.
Speaker 4:so I don't know if you call it spidey senses or I don't know what you call it, but the situation, women's intuition.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 4:It just it did not seem right. There was something that seemed really off about it and I've dealt with probably hundreds of people at that time the guy, just I didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was an odd dude. He was real, antsy and real. You know he's definitely hiding something. There was some deception there, you can tell, and so you know I'm providing cover. Joey's doing his thing. And Joey done the original.
Speaker 2:You know the initial pat down when he pulled him out of the vehicle. And if, with a pat down, if you don't feel anything, that's you know articulately, a, you know crime, then you don't go into pockets and you don't do anything like that. This guy kept trying to. First of all, he told us that he had scabies. So right there, there's red flag one. He don't want us touching him. So he tells us that he's got scabies. And he's right, I don't want to touch you either if you've got scabies. No, I'm going to stay there. So we were kind of you know, gloved up, keeping our distance, and then he just kept. You have those people that will not keep their hands out of their pockets and that's, that's the no-no.
Speaker 2:You know, usually that's I can't see you yet if you can't see their hands, I mean, the hands is what's going to kill you? So he keeps his hand, putting his hands in the pocket. So, finally, we just were all. We're just going to cuff him up.
Speaker 4:He's too antsy. Yeah, we found. I think I found marijuana or something.
Speaker 2:We found a reason to actually search him. Yeah, we could have went 15 with him at that time. So we just go ahead and cuff him up and then we start pulling stuff out of his pockets. Well, he had a wad in his pocket, but it just felt like paper towels or something, or a sock.
Speaker 4:Or a sock.
Speaker 2:It ended up being a little revolver that he had wadded up in a sock.
Speaker 4:So yeah, he kept reaching for that little sock the whole time.
Speaker 2:If somebody hadn't been paying attention, he could have got to it oh the way the dude acted.
Speaker 4:I think most definitely, if I wouldn't have called for somebody, he probably would have tried something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if it was just you, if there wasn't two of us there, he'd have tried just you, because everybody tried you anyways yeah, I mean that's just.
Speaker 4:It was life for me. I don't know. I'd show up to something and think it's going to be we have a Greyhound bus stop here in London.
Speaker 5:I don't know if you ever owned that one. I know Patrick was there. It was me and him. I can't remember. Maybe Was this the Flare gun, the flare gun that had the He'd rigged up to make it like a shotgun, like a one-shot deal, and that was wild.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I guarantee he was a convicted felon too.
Speaker 5:I'd say he was trying to get south or north, wherever they were going, we'd just have to stop here. We had more crazy stuff. Come off them buses.
Speaker 4:Oh my goodness, yeah, I mean every night. It seemed like we were going out there dealing with something. You know somebody get dropped off and they didn't have no more money.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it got to the point where we pulled the schedule and I was doing interdiction with it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I remember. I mean, it's pretty easy to get on the Greyhound. You can see where their next stop was. It was hard to decipher.
Speaker 2:I mean I think it wasn't a big deal. It was hard to get grounds to search. That was more.
Speaker 4:Usually. I'd look for people you know getting off the bus to stay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, hopping in somebody's vehicle and try to find the reason. Stop the vehicle. You find a lot of pills that way, but it was weird, you know, having homemade flare gun shotguns.
Speaker 5:They'd they'd put a shell in and try and made the primer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like holy cow. He knew what he was doing, badly Shooting it down the aisle of a bus. Crazy Scatter everywhere.
Speaker 5:Scary stuff often.
Speaker 4:You want to talk about the dinner, and then I head over to IGA. So we talked about that I did your interview.
Speaker 2:But you can give your perspective. Yeah, give your version of it. So Jake had talked about it in his interview.
Speaker 4:I didn't get to listen to it yet. So, we were just eating dinner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were eating dinner and then you get a call out of a. The complaint comes out at IGA.
Speaker 6:I think that might have been our first night with Joey.
Speaker 2:It was, it was, it was the very first night.
Speaker 4:Yep. So you know, obviously, me being me, I ate as quick as possible and as the call came out, I got it, guys, because I knew they were going to cover me if I was searching a car or whatever later on, if the alarm came out or something.
Speaker 2:And Joey was like let's go, hurry up, hurry up, let's go, let's go. He was just chomping at the bit.
Speaker 4:I left out there a little bit before the other guys did. I can't remember, was it? A guy passed out.
Speaker 2:Yeah it was a guy passed out.
Speaker 4:I was like I'm going to take care of this. He'll probably be gone by. They were, you know, but go ahead. So I leave out of there. I get over there probably a couple minutes, pull in and I was like, well, holy crap, it's still here, which, you know, I wasn't quite used to just then because I'd only been at the PD a couple of months at that point, and I pull in behind them, I turn my lights on and I can't remember if I had my window down or I'd just stepped out, but I heard the engine revving.
Speaker 4:I was like do I approach it? You know, I was still kind of what do I do in this situation? I'll figure it out. That's the way I always done it. So he's revving the engine, revving the engine and all of a sudden it starts coming back.
Speaker 4:I seen the reverse lights and he floored it and ran up over the hood of my car and I was still in the like the door jam or whatever you would call it um, and then he backed over my car and for some reason I don't know I mean, I don't know why he done this he went to get out the passenger door and instead of running he came towards me. So I have to go all the way back around my car. And then I can't remember I don't think he fought, we just got him on the ground and cuffed him.
Speaker 2:But just little situations like that that would happen all the time he tried to tell you he wasn't driving.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he tried to say that's what it was. He was like I ain't driving this, where'd they go? And I seen him get out of the passenger room. There was nobody else got out. I mean, it was an old Jeep and I think the door even squeaked real loud it was like dude, you ain't fooling me. But that's just. I mean, that was an every night occurrence. Something crazy like that happened. I couldn't tell you how many times I had my bumper crushed or wrecked.
Speaker 5:Those push guards that we put on there. They're good but they're not. Oh my gosh, the little back like they would cause more damage a lot of times they would On little small wrecks Like we were. It was during COVID and we was down at the building, probably not playing cornhole, or you know listening to podcasts?
Speaker 2:No, that would never happen. Probably not playing cornhole. Or listening to podcasts. No, that would never happen.
Speaker 5:But it was really like a flood over on Middleground Way. So we was all heading over there and for some reason I think it was Hopkins pulled out and went another way, or his car was parked over there in a different spot, so he was just going to go up hit main street and he got behind a car and got just backed up or, you know, had a clutch, you know, I don't know just, and I mean did about probably three thousand dollars worth of damage because of the it busted the radio?
Speaker 4:yeah, because it pushed the.
Speaker 5:it pushed the push guard into all that stuff. I was like, oh my gosh, these things are awesome. They're tearing up your car. They were, If they wouldn't have.
Speaker 4:it probably would have cracked the plastic. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5:The front bumper's a little scuffed, but no, it's that thing that just caves in the front of your car is a little scuffed, but no, it's that thing that just caves in the front of your car.
Speaker 2:When Andrew KO'd me heading to a call on South 25, it barely cracked my bumper but it folded his hood. It just folded his hood because that thing, it came back and pushed it all the way up it was awful.
Speaker 4:They look cool though. Oh yeah, they do look cool. I like the full wraparound ones.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they drag pretty good when you go over that intersection of South 25 and 192, too fast too. Oh yeah, son, you hit that, you used to. You'd set sail Sparks.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It was off the ground.
Speaker 4:Was it all of us? Where were we coming from? It might have been when that gas station there at the park entrance just opened. We were going somewhere and we hit that. I don't know how fast we were going.
Speaker 3:It was like all of us in a line and we hit that thing, and it was like ja, ja, ja, ja, yeah, it was like four creatures.
Speaker 4:I mean, we set sail and I was like oh my.
Speaker 2:God, we've all 46ed out right here.
Speaker 6:I'm sure it looked cool for everybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I bet I have no idea what call we were going to, but it's untelling.
Speaker 4:Who knows, that brings up do you remember the Cardinal Market thievery, the frog-tog camos, was that the?
Speaker 6:guy with the boots.
Speaker 4:Yeah, broke into the side how we caught him. Do you remember that? I've got it right down here.
Speaker 6:I remember. You'll have to refresh my memory.
Speaker 4:It was quite funny. There was a I guess the easiest way to explain it. I wouldn't call it a robbery. There was a I guess the easiest way to explain it. I wouldn't call it a robbery. But somebody broke into a local business, stole their money bag and a bunch of cigarettes and we couldn't find the guy. When it happened we looked the whole area back behind Walmart. We found the money bag and still didn't find all the cigarettes or whatever. But so fast, so that happened and fast forward. Like two weeks later we get a noise complaint right there in front of the fire department, right by the PD.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yes and during the we had video surveillance of the actual burglary and the guy was wearing like camo frog togs, had some unique boots on. We didn't know what the guy's face looked like, but he was just a very unique individual you could tell. We were like, if we see this guy out, we're going to spot him a mile away. So we get a noise complaint and Jake, he shows up. How did your encounter go with him? I wasn't there just yet.
Speaker 6:Well, he was passed out in the truck, that's what it was. So I just went and knocked on the window and he opened the door and the first thing I spotted was his boots.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's when I hollered at you to come over. I think on the radio you said 8.32 with me you're going to want to see this Just playing his day.
Speaker 6:I think when Joey showed up, the exact same outfit, I just pointed down at his shoes and I was like he had the same same did he have? The same outfit on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the same frog talk same boots, everything almost like he was about to go do it again. He'd probably been wearing it, since Probably had been. Could have been, but that was just one of them things where that's probably the only true investigation that I saw.
Speaker 3:I remember an investigation that went quite the opposite Overall.
Speaker 2:So we had a guy you just knew it was him and he's claiming that he just got out of the shower oh yeah, we can tell that one so, joe, so it was from the pursuit right yeah that, okay, they started it, so joey now that they went a pursuit, joey doesn't start a pursuit. We'll tell it how Joey doesn't start a pursuit because, we just got a new pursuit policy so it was like a big no-no to chase things at this time.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I had to go to the carpet a couple times on this non-pursuit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this was a Joey non-pursuit. He got really good at articulating that it wasn't a pursuit, so he had been articulating.
Speaker 5:I am not in pursuit.
Speaker 6:My lights and sirens are on, but I'm not in pursuit At 90 miles an hour.
Speaker 2:He's not in pursuit. I'm not in pursuit, so he you can tell it from there.
Speaker 4:So I don't remember why I was trying to stop this guy, but I can't remember the name of the streets now, anyways it was a graveyard is where it ended up, so I lit the dude up on spring street and then he shoots up a I think it's martin street and then takes a left going towards the dead end of the street. I was like how you doing Everybody's like I'm not in pursuit, but he's going to the dead end of the street.
Speaker 6:I'm not in pursuit, but he's running, yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:So I think it was in a Jeep. What was he driving?
Speaker 5:I still feel like I'm going to get caught in on the office on the carpet on this one.
Speaker 4:It on the carpet on this one. It gets better. It was a Tahoe.
Speaker 4:It was a Tahoe, so he goes to the end of that street and I was in a cruiser like a charger at the time. I couldn't drive through this field that he went through. I mean it looked like the Dukes of Hazzard for a minute. I mean there was mud dust. I was like I'm going to bail out here, I'm going to park here, bail, because he couldn't go nowhere. I mean it was woods, I mean he would. I think he ended up hitting a tree or whatever.
Speaker 2:But so I bailed out on foot and he probably had a what 100, 200 yard head start yeah, he had a good head, a real good head, start on me and was close to his house yeah, he bailed out and ran to this house, to where I don't remember how we figured out he lived there. It was his license plate. It was registered to him.
Speaker 4:So we do the surround and drown method on this house and we're conversating on what we should do because we're almost positive he ran inside this house.
Speaker 2:We're not 100% sure, but we're like he's winning this house, were we not, were we not 100%?
Speaker 6:not you.
Speaker 4:You seemed like you were 100, I would so I can't remember inside I watched him run around the front of the house or something and I lost him. Yeah, I can't remember exactly. So I was like well, he ran inside this house, so everybody's there, a whole shift there, did so show up maybe I don't know. I don't know but, so we start calling people out of the house and there's this guy. He comes out and I'm like he did have the same. Was he wearing the same colored clothes?
Speaker 2:They have the same name and they have well and.
Speaker 6:I can't remember. I think he zoned in on the jeans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. Yeah, it's the same pants he was wearing. Yeah, yeah, something was very similar. This is where this story and that story comes together, because boots are what got that guy caught. Yeah. However, the boots are what got this guy for us to be like ah, that's not him yeah, that is true.
Speaker 4:Anyways, we this guy comes out of the house. He's like what are you all doing here? I cuff him up immediately.
Speaker 2:I'm like you're caught, you're mine, and then I mean Joey's, like I got him, I got him, so we're pulling the perimeter in yeah.
Speaker 4:Everybody's like who was it? That found that, james, so everybody's starting to yell on the radio we got him. You know, that just means everybody can come kind of yeah, let your guard down a little bit. But james comes walking towards the house and the next door neighbor's house yeah he looks over and he's what do you see?
Speaker 2:boots, or he saw. Well, the guy was hiding under the porch he was.
Speaker 4:he seen a guy hiding under the porch and I mean, in the heat of the moment, I I was like, oh, shoot yeah, because we have talked to this guy like a dog, threw him in the back of the car.
Speaker 2:I mean, read him the right act Joey's 100%, that's him. Yeah, that was him, and he's like no, no. I just got out of the shower. I just got out of the shower. It can't be me.
Speaker 1:I just got out of the shower I just got out of the shower.
Speaker 4:It can't be me. It was his son that it ended up being. It was.
Speaker 2:Nothing like it. When James finds the guy, Joey goes and pulls this other guy out of the car and he's got his shoes on and it's super muddy that night, Super muddy that night, and he's like, yeah, this has got to be him. And he's like I don't know what that is. We look down and Joey looks down with us and says, oh, his shoes are clean, yeah, yeah. So then you start dusting him off.
Speaker 4:Sorry about that. The funnier part to it is I can't remember exactly how it took place. I mean, the guy he was cool with is after he found out why we were doing it.
Speaker 2:Well, him and his son have the same exact name.
Speaker 6:They had the same name.
Speaker 2:He wasn't supposed to be in his car? No, and one of them just is a junior.
Speaker 4:Didn't he have?
Speaker 2:pills on him too, yes.
Speaker 4:He had pills on him. I mean it was a mess, but that's just one of them things where you don't really I forgot about it. I forgot about it too until just now. That was one of them situations that you're like, I know. I for sure got him.
Speaker 2:You know you're 100% right and you're not.
Speaker 5:You're 100% wrong.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That happened a couple of times, but not very often. I mean good thing we didn't have to use no force on that guy or anything. Yeah, I am glad that he didn't put up a fight and he was just kind of rolling with it.
Speaker 2:So they were both kind of turds, but he was one of those that still had respect for law enforcement. When we explained it, he was like guys. I get it. He's like I know my yeah, I get it. He's more mad at the son Because it was his vehicle and totaled it.
Speaker 4:That brings up another story. I think you was, oh no.
Speaker 5:You as a supervisor.
Speaker 4:I was out working FOT and what that means is you're just out looking for. I didn't like writing speeding tickets because they cost so much. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4:I would write somebody's seatbelts for the seatbelts were my go-to and I'd set up on North Main Street, front of Speedway or right beside it, not. I mean, you could write 25 seatbelts there on a good sunny day in two hours, three hours, and that's what it took to get your overtime. So I was up there writing seatbelts and there's this Jeep went by driver and passenger no seatbelt. Then, after it went by me, no license plate. I said, oh boy, we called that an eight-pounder. You know you've hit your quota you've hit your number of citations.
Speaker 3:you got two hours right there. Yeah, yeah, you've got two hours, so I pull out behind them.
Speaker 4:Keep in mind, I wasn't even supposed to be out. I mean I could be out.
Speaker 4:It was for FOT, I didn't take any complaints or nothing like that I pull out and the guy I mean it's an old Grand Cherokee, I mean he mats it and no cat converter. I mean it sounded awful, I mean just holds it to the floor. So I'm like this is interesting. I turn my lights on. I don't even think I hit my siren until, uh, we turn off of main street onto 16th street right by the bakery and go down towards the new road. But on mill street I'm like this guy ain't stopping, so I yelled it. I think it was you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I was working the ship To authorize the pursuit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you did end up on the carpet on this and I'll take the hit for that but anyways.
Speaker 4:So I told T-Dot. I was like this is what I got no seatbelts, no tag. He's refusing to stop, don't really know any other details. I was like do I got permission to pursue? And I think he was like you said no, or something like that. I said negative. Yeah, you said negative, which didn't hurt my feelings. I knew we had protocol, but this is when the pursuit policy first went into effect so there was a lot of gray area and there was probably a delay.
Speaker 5:I was probably like because I was on a complaint at Tractor Supply, I remember me, and somebody was out on a call and I'm listening to this, dealing with a shoplifter or something that we had. So I'm like we were working an investigation, it just didn't meet the protocol.
Speaker 4:No, it wasn't in danger at that point. So I didn't know. And I mean the pursuit policy was new and there was nothing in the pursuit policy that specified what to do after you terminate the pursuit. So I turned my lights off and whatever, and I'm still chasing this guy yeah I mean, I feel like I'm like well I've turned my lights off in the back of my mind. I'm like this guy's going somewhere I'm just gonna follow him see where he's going, to see where he's going.
Speaker 4:So we, we hit the new road, we go out to west 80. There come out right by flavor rich or borden's dairy or whatever it's called now he takes a right going back towards main street and he takes that little shortcut road by, by post, by, yeah, and he was driving I wouldn't say within the law, but he wasn't like crazy reckless driving. Well, we get on North 25, heading north, and in front of the BP I don't know what it's called now spur.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's a spur now. I think In that straight stretch.
Speaker 4:I guess he noticed that I was still back there, not pursuing, not pursuing, not pursuing 80 miles an hour. No, there was a couple cars in between us at that point and he hits the right shoulder, which is gravel and floors it and he loses control and he does a complete 360 in that gravel lot About hits like three or four cars.
Speaker 4:I think there was somebody even outside. It was right there, right past the car wash, and I yelled at you and I'm like this is what I got. Now he's about to kill three or four people. He's almost wrecked all this.
Speaker 3:I was like okay go ahead and you was like you're authorized now. So this.
Speaker 4:I don't know if anybody really knows this, and I do got respect for him when it comes to this, so we turned down that I can't remember the name of the road the tunnel road. We take a right there and I noticed coming up behind me is a Tahoe and it's black and I was like that's the sheriff he's getting in behind me is a Tahoe and it's black and I said that's the sheriff, he's getting in behind me and we go out um 34, 34 and the jeep takes a left on this gravel road and then drives into the field.
Speaker 4:Well, I knew I couldn't go out in that field. The sheriff, I mean son, he, he, he takes that left, hits the field and then we actually end up back on 3434. I stayed on the main road and we chased that guy up into some logging road in East Bernstadt. Finally my cruiser got to where it wouldn't go no more. I thought I was going to have to have a tow truck. The sheriff, he went and detained the guy. And the sheriff, I mean he went and detained the guy. He never ran. The only reason the boy ran, he was a young kid, dakota.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to say his last name.
Speaker 4:He didn't have a driver's license, that was it, and I was like dude you were.
Speaker 2:He's a career turd now.
Speaker 4:But going back to that story, like when T-Dawdog was chief and even when I worked underneath the sheriff and stuff, it made it fun to see your superiors out there in the trenches with you. Sometimes I mean, you didn't want them out there all the time because you think they was looking for something to discipline you on.
Speaker 5:But Sometimes we just want to have fun.
Speaker 4:I don't mean that toward you, Jack.
Speaker 5:You was my superior, but you knew what was going on. I tell you back to that story. When I got called in the carpet I was like we need to specify on this pursuit and then we did Lights off, go the other. Did Like lights off go the other way, yeah that's. That's what it came to, but we had to have that amended in that policy, and and then I get it. I get it from your side, I get it from from the administrative side, oh yeah. And Darrell was cool. Darrell was cool with it.
Speaker 4:He was Darrell was cool with it. He was like we just, you know, it was more. I think it was above his, his head.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because this was a KLC thing that came down and we just like right then and there and now. I didn't get like ringed out or nothing, it was just like why, what are we doing? And I was like that's when we set the like if you're terminated, that means if the pursuit is terminated, that means you go the other way.
Speaker 4:There's a couple of policies that I would read in depth, continuously. With me being me, it was.
Speaker 2:Trying to find a loophole.
Speaker 4:Finding the gray area. Yeah, finding the gray area, especially because I mean you all To make us work harder. You all know, when somebody's running from you, there's nothing more that you want to do than catch that person.
Speaker 2:No, and it's kind of a you know it's a catch 2020. As far as is it worth it to chase this guy.
Speaker 3:Traffic and traffic.
Speaker 2:But also you don't know who it is. I mean, what if it's some? Murderer or something that you're not and you just let them go and then if that happens enough that you just back down from a pursuit, it's going to get out. It gets out that all you have to do is run.
Speaker 5:So there's two big pursuits that happened that caused that big change and one of them and I'm, for it, absolutely agree was pushing somebody too hard in a fatal up in Lexington. I remember that Wrong way driver Guess who. Unit three was in that my niece. She was that car that got hit that the people died in had just passed her, oh wow, and she got hit and flipped up. So I mean I'm like there's personal reasons. You're like should we be chasing this Almost lost a niece there, and if that car wouldn't have passed she would have definitely been a victim.
Speaker 4:She was a victim but she probably wouldn't have lived. I know I sound like a rebel, but that was always in the back of my head. I mean, I can think of several times where I was like there was a couple of times I actually terminated on my own before because it was just too crazy. But then you've got to look at the flip side of it. I don't remember all the agencies Remember when the state police was in pursuit of that car coming south and at the 49 they wrecked it out or it stopped or whatever. They found that the dead, the dead body yeah and they had no idea.
Speaker 5:No, I mean so he just martyred somebody, stuffed her in the trunk and was hidden. Oh yeah, that was awful, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4:A lot of times you got people that's running. You don't really know what they're running. For Normal local folks it's probably because they've got a warrant or whatever, but you never really know. They're running for a reason.
Speaker 5:Some of it's stupid like no driver's license, something like you're going to get a ticket, maybe go to jail, maybe I mean, I told Dakota I was like Bub.
Speaker 4:I just wrote you a bunch of tickets. You've been going home. Now you're going to go sleep in jail for six months. That's just the way it was.
Speaker 5:I remember my first. It might have been my first or second car, chase it was a motorcycle on the I-75. I pulled off, got on the 41. It was northbound. Spotted tried to stop it. It hammered down, you know toying with me, because it could have ran off and left me this crock truck and I'm in a like a oath to you know, crown of wick I wasn't gonna keep up with it. Well, uh, hoghead was supervisor and he is like we don't chase motorcycles just yeah, it's a terminate your pursuit.
Speaker 5:Okay, I'm in no man's land, I can't turn. I got past. Remember there used to be a break at the 45 mile marker. We could turn around. Well, I'm past that and Mikey Hamlin was up there and he continues the pursuit. So we're heading towards the 49. And they're asking on the radio. Mike is like you got anybody with you? Yeah, tdot's still back there 8.24?. And I was like, oh my God, so Paul Gantz is like you still back.
Speaker 5:I said I'm just trying to get to 49. I said I'm not I'm running, my lights are off. I don't think so, but I was just talking, I'm getting in trouble. But I did terminate at the 49, turn around and head back to London. That car chase went through Lexington. I mean every agency. Rock Castle County got involved, state Police, of course, was involved, madison County, berea, richmond, pd, lexington. It went through everywhere. It went there everywhere. And I'm like from my stop you know I just took out some warrants on him for for fleeing and evading done in that Laurel.
Speaker 4:that brings up another memory and I don't know. I remember who the supervisor was, but it seemed like every time Jake would take off work vacation days and he didn't take off very much at all, but when he did, Just once a week. No, I'm kidding, he had a bunch, but when he took off I should have. Yeah, when he took off, it was always like I would. Probably a good thing you didn't.
Speaker 4:In the long run you had to you had to make sure, but I would always try to take it. I you had to make sure, but I would always try to take it. I wouldn't go as hard. I knew I didn't have a K-9 available so I wouldn't really I would work, but I wouldn't push it as hard as I normally do. I turned on a car on. Well, actually I didn't even get turned on it. I was on Bill George Road.
Speaker 6:No, I was working that night.
Speaker 4:Were you out that night. I thought you was off.
Speaker 2:So we talked about that one, but let's hear your perspective of it. Wait, are you talking about?
Speaker 4:the wreck.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so there was this car went by me and I'm like gosh mighty, that sounds like a good one.
Speaker 3:I thought you was off for some reason, but it just.
Speaker 4:I mean it said you can call it profile and whatever, but it screamed that there was going to be a gram or two in it of meth and what that usually leads to if you can get them to talk it's going to lead to something way bigger. We didn't want the little fish, but we wanted to talk to them is the best way I know how to explain it. So they drive past me, meet oncoming. I just hit my brakes and put it in reverse and was going to turn around and go catch them. Well, as I got turned around, I mean I'm getting on it pretty good and I come around this curve and I'm like uh-oh, all I seen was like smoke and it was right at the. I mean it was almost dark. And then I got to look and I'm like, oh God, they've raked.
Speaker 4:And I hadn't even like, I didn't even know the tag number or nothing. They had was running from me, obviously, because I heard them floor it as soon as I went past. They went past me and seen me hit my brakes, but they had wrapped a car around the tree and I still don't. I still don't know for what reason no, we never found anything?
Speaker 1:we didn't find nothing we knew who the guy was he was.
Speaker 4:He was. I wouldn't say I'd known drug dealer, but he was in in the works becoming one later on we found that, but I have no idea. And that up I mean well, it was a really bad wreck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they wrecked way before you even got turned around on them. Yeah, I mean, it was, it was way, I mean.
Speaker 4:I hadn't even it was just one of those things where I guess they wanted to get away. Bad enough. They got away, all right, they went to Lexington. It was bad.
Speaker 5:I got in a car chase that I was in one time. Yeah, have you ever been there? Yeah, Like I really wasn't. I was on Fifth Street and somebody ran the red light down there at Mill Street. So I'm on Fifth and Fifth and Mill they're where the ambulance service basically is I've got a green and a car just blows through that red light right there. I'm like, eh, so I'm like I've got to stop this one.
Speaker 4:Everybody's looking at me, was that their red light policy?
Speaker 5:No, no, no, this was early in my career, I was still a patrolman and I'd ran. I just followed this car, saw it and it was moving pretty good. Then it goes through the little stop sign, the four-way stop there by Mill Street Park. It just goes through that. I said, well, I've got two. Now he's. Obviously he was running from me. I just didn't, I wasn't registering, I was like there was traffic, he wouldn't pass nobody, but he was trying to. You know, he didn't pat, he didn't whip out and pass him by. I haven't activated my lots at all. I'm still I'm probably a couple hundred yards behind him trying to. You know, not really trying to catch, but I'm gonna, I'm going to stop it when I get up there in the spot I want. So we turn there at the bakery. What is that up at, where it cuts back up there about the 18th Street or somewhere right there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like.
Speaker 2:Pearl and all that.
Speaker 5:Yeah right there by the we turn at the bakery, the front side, where it goes back there, he turns out to head to Main Street and there was a big truck that was back in the bread truck right at their bakery and it was back in the trailer inn right there. So the road was blocked, he was blocked and he got up there and the truck wouldn't move because you know he was trying to wiggle in there. So he, he bails, and I'm like at this point I'm like, well, he's running from me.
Speaker 2:So I just call out for him.
Speaker 5:I've been in a car chase for an hour without knowing for a mile, without even knowing he bails, takes off running. He goes towards the bakery. I pop out and I just holler foot pursuit at the bakery and I think H hump or somebody was was the supervisor. He's like what do you got? I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 4:I think I was in a car chase.
Speaker 5:I don't know. And now I'm in a foot pursuit for for sure and he runs up, goes behind the trailer. I'm like my car door's wide open so I start freaking. So I get on the other side of the bakery or the trailer and I'm like, oh crap, my car. I see feet and I just crawl underneath the trailer back to my car and shut it. Well, there was a passenger, a girl, there with him. I said you stay right here. I said who is that and where's he going? And she's like you know.
Speaker 5:I don't know, so I start chasing him towards like advance and all that stuff right there, he's gone. By the time everybody's there, I'm like, oh yeah, I need to go get her. Well, I go back to get her. She's gone, I just get back in my car.
Speaker 4:You lost for sure I lost.
Speaker 5:I did have the you know, jumped out and we had the dash cams back then Caught a great picture of him and took it to the jail. It's like do you know who this is? Oh yeah, that's that. So I just went and got a warrant on him but I was like how stupid am I? I was like I couldn't and I was like I'm an idiot. I lost everybody. But I did get him later on a warrant and came up Speaking of losing everybody, that brings up another good one.
Speaker 4:Do you remember the Finley's burglary?
Speaker 6:Where they took the machines.
Speaker 4:They took the machines and sold them. At the skate rink.
Speaker 6:Yeah, the flatbed.
Speaker 4:They sold the flatbed. So we get a call of somebody breaking in. They stole a bunch of stuff from Finley's and I can't remember the exact details on it, but we were down there patrolling that area pretty hard. I don't know if it was that same night or if it was the next shift or what it was. So I was in that area extra patrolling and I see these kids they were you know that I call them kids they were teenagers and something led us to believe that it could have been teenagers that done it, because there was a group of teenagers in lily that was wreaking havoc on a bunch of people's stuff. They were stealing everything.
Speaker 4:And you want to talk about feeling defeated. I I pull in this parking lot of finley's and there's probably 10 kids, teenagers, and they all start running and I'm like which way do I go? Which way do I? So I chase after the one that was slowest, that fell and I can't remember. I start chasing after him and then somebody else was pulling in. I was like grab that guy. He's a heavy set kid.
Speaker 4:Yada, yada, yada picking on the fat kid, yeah, so somebody detained that kid and then I was in the woods chasing the other one. They dusted me. I didn't find a single weather one of them, other than the chubby kid that face-planted in the parking lot.
Speaker 6:You don't have to be the fastest.
Speaker 2:I think there for a little while people were like you don't have to outrun the cops, You're just going to outrun the fat kids.
Speaker 4:They were like did this really happen? And I was like, yeah, there's bicycles all over the place. I don't know, it's funny and then, we seen it was just a bunch of teenagers. I don't even think they were linked, but they just all booked it. I mean, as soon as I pulled the parking lot, I was like, well, here, I got them because it was dark area, you know, but I felt defeated, I mean there was like ten of them.
Speaker 4:I lost every one of them and I didn't like losing foot pursuits. I mean there is several.
Speaker 5:You remember when we used to work details at Finley? Oh yeah, they had overtime details for us there for pulling security. So why that happened? There was this kid. His grandparents' mom dropped him off at the Finley's and he, for some reason he didn't have enough money or something was playing got mad and he stormed out of Finley's and walked up to where they had the job shop, which is all the same business, the owners and stuff. This kid walked up there and had these grown adults barricaded in because he was like taking a stick and rocks and throwing it at the glass. Because he was like taking a stick and rocks and throwing it at the glass, they're calling 911, trying to get hit with a rock. He was wild. So of course I show up. I'm like what are you doing? And he's like he whoops that you know wheels around with the rock and I'm like I just knock it out of his hand and he falls down. Of course I'm like he's probably 12, 10 or 12.
Speaker 4:Those are the worst. Oh, it's horrible and I'm like you don't know what to do.
Speaker 5:So I'm like trying to get him up, he's I mean fighting, throwing hands, whooping me. I'm like what are you doing?
Speaker 2:It's like fighting Joey.
Speaker 5:So the mom and grandpa get there and I've got this kid down. I was like he's you know they're threatening to sue and all this stuff because I've got this kid, like trying to hold him, keep him there. He spits on me and not just on me, down my throat, he caught me good and I'm like at that point I'm like I see red and I'm like at that point I'm like I see red and I'm not mad at him.
Speaker 5:I'm like, alright, I'm ready to fight mom, grandpa at this time, and I'm like I'll lose it. I'm like this is, I can't whoop him, but I can whoop both of you all. And I was like, oh man, I talked badly and I said he's never back up here and you all ain't either. Well, well, I was like, did you not just say yeah, well, you know, they kind of felt bad. Then I mean, I was like he gave me. He gave me a mouthful.
Speaker 4:I've never been spit on like that and I was like juveniles are weird because you don't want Throw cuffs on them because there are so many strict laws. I didn't know all the laws. I hate juveniles.
Speaker 5:I know a little more, but the age pays a lot. Well, is it 11?
Speaker 2:If they're, 11 and under. You can't even there's not even CDW won't even take them. No, they won't touch them. You can't even charge them anything.
Speaker 5:I was like, oh my gosh, what have I done? I'll tell a quick story on speaking of car chases and carrying on.
Speaker 5:This is way back. Me and Sam Davidson were working and it was day shift and Doug Gregory was the supervisor, so you had everybody, all the command staff, and Doug was the sergeant, and they were building Randolph's over there at Shiloh's they were doing construction. It was a bit a while ago. It was cold out. This guy, the construction people I'm talking like 20 degrees and under this guy was in this car or in a van. He was sitting there slumped over at the wheel. They thought man, this guy's frozen to death in this car or in a van. And he was sitting there slumped over at the wheel. So they thought, man, this guy's frozen to death in this van. It wasn't running.
Speaker 5:So I go over there and I start beating on the window like you, okay, because I couldn't see on the passenger side. He's parked pretty close to them, to the wall of shallows. So I'm like I'm squeeze in there and I'm like banging on the door. I'm like, oh, no, I'm on it. So I'd already called like, hey, get me an ambulance or something. I don't know what I got. Well, he comes to, he looks over at me. He said why, why, you won't. And I'm like you, okay, I'm firing up the car and I'm in between it and he's on ice with a flat tire.
Speaker 5:So I'm like whoa. So I'm like he starts and he starts spinning. I'm like I'm dead. So I get out of there and I call him. I'm like he's awake and he's trying to run off. He's like I ain't stopping for no security guard. I said okay. I said are you okay? Just stop the car. I'm just checking on you, I'm not stopping for you. So he'd get going a little. You know about 10, 15 feet, get on the ice again. His flat tire starts spinning again. I ran up there to him Stop, sir. I'm just what are you doing? Oh, get out of my way. I ain't stopping for no security guard. I'm like I'm not, I'm the police. Ah, you ain't the police. I was like okay. He said I'll only stop for gene hall and I was like let me get me gene hall the sheriff.
Speaker 5:He goes he gets traction again and goes up another 15 feet. I'm chasing back up there and doug's like. He said are you in, what are you doing? I said he won't stop for me. He said you in, you in pursuit, like car chase. I was like on the radio. I'm like I don't know, I'm running on foot. He's like well, call it. I said I'm not calling this. You know you had to call a pursuit. If you're in pursuit, I'm like I don't, I don't know what.
Speaker 2:I it's not really, yeah, not really a pursuit so I chase this guy.
Speaker 5:He get start spinning for like a hundred yards. So I ran back, got my car, came back up and I I was just going to try to drag him out and he drove that window down about half way just to cuss at me and I every time I'd swing gonna swing my baton to bust the window out. He'd stick his face in the window.
Speaker 3:I was like you turd.
Speaker 5:I'd smack it just to you know, I'm like I'll pop it and he'll back up and then I'll take a good swap at it. Oh man, so he got traction, we get. I'm finally get back to my car, chase him. We go around the corner. This pursuit lasts like 20 minutes and we went from Shiloh's back around to Faith Assembly Road, where Cheddar's and stuff is all the way back over to that little gas station that's on the same side of the road in like 20 minutes. Oh my gosh, it's the longest pursuit I've ever been in at the time and we hadn't went a mile or we hadn't went about 400 feet and finally a constable Brumit, remember that he came up.
Speaker 5:He's wearing like a brown uniform. I said there's Gene Holland right there, the guy gets out. He said'd you call me that for Because at the time the Brummets, they were Button heads, button heads a little bit back in the day running elections. He said don't you ever call me that.
Speaker 3:The guy came out.
Speaker 6:I said hey, it worked.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it worked. I was like 20-minute pursuit Seriously went maybe a quarter mile by the time he went up and around. I was like Lord, have mercy and I could have walked the whole time.
Speaker 4:That brings back the interstate pursuit the lady oh yeah, so I was at the sheriff's office this time we get a call. It was like 7 o'clock in the morning. I was on day shifts for whatever reason for a month or so during that stint and I called 10-8. Nothing happened and everybody knows. You know, in between 6 am when you come out until 9 or 10, we didn't do a whole lot.
Speaker 4:We would respond to our alarms regs, whatever it was, because I mean, most of the time it was just people going to work. You didn't want to mess with those people. All the dopers were in bed, there wasn't much going on. Well, I get a call of a non-injury wreck on. The interstate is northbound, I don't remember what mile marker 43, 44 mile marker, and this during this time they were doing construction, so it was just barrier walls and the complaint was the lady is 45 doubt, which is wrecked but not hurt. She's up against the inside barrier wall.
Speaker 4:So I just mosey out there. I don't think I was even, I don't remember. It may have been a 46 with injury or whatever. But I go out there and I pull up behind her and a tow truck driver comes up. He's like dude, I don't know what's wrong with this girl, but she will not get out of the car and I was like that's strange. So I walk up to her at first. You know the first thing you think of. Well, there's something medically going on with her. I walk up to the passenger window because her driver's door was touching the barrier wall and I noticed both of her tires were blown out later on, but I knew I could see the front passenger's hair was blown out and I motioned for her.
Speaker 4:I'm like, roll the window down and she, she didn't roll the window down she just looked at me and then I was like ma'am, step out of here, crawl over the center console.
Speaker 3:And she flips me off, give me that good old gesture.
Speaker 4:And I was like well, that's not very nice of you I didn't say that, but that's just what I was thinking. And as soon as she flips, me off.
Speaker 5:What he said was a whole lot different.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it could have been.
Speaker 2:I don't remember Plausible now maybe. Well, I can't believe that nerve in you. Yeah, that's not very Christian-like. No, ma'am.
Speaker 4:But anyway, as soon as she flipped me off she put that thing in drive. It was still running. It floors it. Well, she didn't make it very far. I mean she had two flat tires. So I run back to my cruiser, get in it and I guess I think I radioed in. I was like London, I think I'm in pursuit. They're like, aren't you on scene of a wreck? And I said, yeah, I was the driver, decided just to drive off on me. I said she's got two flat tires and it had the interstate shut down just because there was nowhere for people to go. I think the fire trucks or somebody had the lane blocked.
Speaker 4:Imagine that, yeah, so we traveled for about a quarter of a mile and she stopped.
Speaker 4:Safety first she stopped and I was like, hmm Well, she's giving up. And at this time you know I could get to the driver's door. I run up and I try to open the door. Nothing is locked. So I go to pull up my baton to bust it and she floors it again. I'm like gosh, I'm out of here, we go. I run back to my car. I was like london, I'm back in pursuit. She stopped for a minute. We're continuing on.
Speaker 4:Another quarter mile goes by, she stops again and it's like she was like just giving up. So I ran up to the window. I tell her get out of the car one time she doesn't. I bust the window with my baton. I think I even dropped it after I busted the window. Like I busted the window, dropped my baton, was going to rip her out and uh, she floors it again as I was reaching in to open the door. So I chase her another quarter of a mile, half mile. She stops again. I'm like what in the world? I was like I gotta find a way to end this. This is just annoying. It wasn't fast, like she'd be driving 20 miles an hour. Stop again.
Speaker 4:I ran up to her and at that time I opened the door and I was reaching in to to grab the back of her head. I was gonna try to straight arm, bar her down. Couldn't do it. She floored it again.
Speaker 4:And then the tow truck driver. I'm not going to mention any names, but it's a little bit crazy of him. But I respect him for this. We're. We're going 20 miles an hour. He flies by me and gets in front of her and slows down and pretty much blocks her in. I was the only unit there and I don't know if anybody's even coming to me maybe been who knows.
Speaker 4:Uh, so he, this lady, rear ends him and then I finally run up. I'm like she ain't going nowhere. I I pushed my car up to where she couldn't back up. If she did, it wasn't going to be very far run up to the window and I'm giving her commands get out of the vehicle. All this. At that point I was pretty furious, like I was like this has got to stop. This is ridiculous. She ain't going to get away from us. She definitely couldn't run very far just by looking at her. Uh, and I, as I was reaching in to grab the keys out of the ignition, she throws it in reverse and backs up, slams into my cruiser and then finally and it's on video, I think it went, did it?
Speaker 2:go viral.
Speaker 4:It was on yeah, it was on the news yeah the video. So this brit, these gentlemen in bread truck, they, they were pulled up beside and they, they got it all on video um me trying to wrangle this lady joey hanged off his woman's arms like an orangutan.
Speaker 4:Oh, I've got it, it's it. It's kind of embarrassing on my part, but it's funny now. Uh, but I try to. I try to pull her out and she's a big lady, like sitting in the car. You never really know how big they are, but when she got out she was taller than me, bigger than me and I was always climbing on her like a jungle gym well, I forgot, I did tase her and when I tased her, oh my gosh, she yelled out that belt.
Speaker 4:You know, I'm talking about just screaming. And finally I was able.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry I was able to get her out of the vehicle and I was trying to take her to the ground. Well, I couldn't. She was too big, I could not get her down. She's way bigger than me. So I just pinned her up and you could see on this video these bread guys could not get her down. She was way bigger than me. So I just pinned her up and you could see on this video these bread guys. Once I get her out of the car and they yell you good, and I don't think I answered.
Speaker 4:I was still dealing, I didn't even know. They videoed and they're like you have a good one.
Speaker 4:They just floor it off. The video makes it funny Good deal. You don't see all of the content in the video they video, but it was just one of those things. You go to the normal wreck and it just explodes into a catastrophe. Nothing, that's awesome and that's how I mean. Looking back on it now, I'm like how in the world did I not get hurt real bad, I mean just it's like funny what and there was times where I questioned what have I, what have I done to deserve this?
Speaker 4:we questioned that a lot too. It was just. It was to the point that we're like it was fun at first, but it was like the worst part about it was the paperwork oh, oh, yeah, that's always the worst. I was just like gosh almighty I just want to go out, find some drugs and go home, that was my, I mean, that's enough.
Speaker 2:Like I said, dope head mentality. He's got meth brain. Yeah, I just want to get out, find some drugs, go home.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't want to do any paperwork, a little few catalytic converters while I I'm out. You wrote some good paper, though you did do good case work.
Speaker 2:I tried to do. He did there at the end.
Speaker 5:At the beginning.
Speaker 2:your case work Well he got more into that federal side trying to make stuff look good in federal court.
Speaker 5:And we were all like God, we're writing like one-page cases and he's got 24 pages. It's never fun when, like I, had a case that went you know that the ATF was adopting and they're like.
Speaker 4:That's when you get nervous.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you're like sit down with them and they're like I've read your case report.
Speaker 4:It's not, let's do this.
Speaker 5:Yeah, let me give you a crash course on how to write a letter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's start you off on Hooked on Phonics.
Speaker 5:Well, I was never back in the day when you had to handwrite cases on those forms. I was never some words in my little pocket dictionary or spell checker didn't count. I don't know how many times Joe Smith would have one of mine with highlighters up on the bulletin board pinned in. I'm like what? Like the time I wrote flagpole and something happened and I put fagpole which was an honest mistake.
Speaker 2:But a pretty bad one. You can't leave out the L's. No, those are important L's.
Speaker 6:Let's not send that through the court.
Speaker 5:And then the one I have which spelled the like a like, not which way, like like sandy ith like a, like a those make uh yeah, those make for that was a tim smallwood found that one and gave me absolute grief. I was like, oh, that's funny, y'all didn't hire me here for so thank goodness it went to. The Kentucky Ops came around and spellchecked for me.
Speaker 2:Well, if any of us were smart anyways, we would have never chosen that career path. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4:And that's what got me writing better cases when I felt defeated in federal court.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they'll humble you it must.
Speaker 4:I mean I'd wrote a decent case but I got beat, probably because of my case. Yeah, I only had one page. And then after that I said no, the more detail the better.
Speaker 2:It's not documented. It didn't happen. The.
Speaker 5:ATF agent Todd. You all know he was the one that was handling the case and he was like, and it was great, I mean my case was fine for state court. But he's like, hey, and he taught me something as far as bullet pointing, that stuff, and I was like, ah, so I adopted that and my cases became more organized with that Not just put your thought patterns down, it was pretty humbling though, but I'd been in place for like 9 or 10 years before that happened, so I was like, oh, I wonder what the lawyers really thought about.
Speaker 2:Let's get into Summer of the Squad hijinks and stuff. Before we wrap all this up, we talked about it how we did a lot of search warrants but we did a lot of due diligence with it, and what I mean by that is it was a lot of times we would be working on a house that we wanted to hit. It would be a week or two before we ever actually got to hit it, but we was collecting our intel and all that.
Speaker 4:Hiding in the bushes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hiding in the bushes and sometimes collecting intel didn't always go the way you wanted it to.
Speaker 4:No, no, most definitely Go ahead. So we were staking out this house. We, I mean, it was for sure, I wouldn't say a high-end dealer.
Speaker 2:No, he was low, but he was one of those that every time we tried to hit him he ran off on us, or?
Speaker 4:got away somehow.
Speaker 2:He was a menace he was a menace, so he just became a target.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and we went out there several times for complaints.
Speaker 2:The grandma or the mom would call us. He terrorized his grandma.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was just the guy needed to be in jail.
Speaker 4:Yes, grandma. Yeah, it was just the guy needed to be in jail. Yes, and I still agree with that. No matter what he needed to live in jail. Um, just from, I can't disclose a lot of what happened, but he was not a good person. No, especially to his grandma and mom. But anyways, we were staking out this house. We knew he pushed a little you know dope here and there would sell. What do you call it? Peddling?
Speaker 2:yeah, you could tell we had a warrant too, I think he had a warrant at this time he always did, yeah, we we'd searched him up and he actually had an active warrant at this time. So we was, but he always ran.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we never he and he was smart about it.
Speaker 2:He had cameras and stuff set up, so he was always kind of a step ahead.
Speaker 4:Didn't he have that hatch in the floor, or was that a different one?
Speaker 6:I think he did have one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it was a he would a little escape to get into the back of that yes, yeah he.
Speaker 4:I mean he was neat. I wouldn't say he's the smartest, but he was nipped a lot better than what we, or we're used to deal with clever yeah, so I'm laying in the bushes um watching him, probably 100 yards out, and it was cold, it was winter time. I remember that I bundled up, I had all my gloves and I couldn't move very good. So I was like if I get foot pursued of somebody right now, I ain't going to make it. I had 60 pounds of clothes on and I noticed you know, was I talking to you on the radio.
Speaker 5:We wouldn't use our radios, no, we were talking on the phone, we were whispering, we were texting because I was close enough that I didn't want to talk.
Speaker 4:Being sneak, Yep. That reminds me of another story that freaked me out. But anyway, I was laying in the bushes and I noticed I heard a little noise and I was like what is that? Is that an animal?
Speaker 2:And where I was laying, like it wasn't the average path that any human would take.
Speaker 4:It was like a woodland, like the back wouldn't it like the backyard in the backyard and I noticed, like I seen, and after I was like that's not an animal, that's a person. I I was watching him and and he was walking right towards me. I was like, oh, shoot, like, what am I going to do? My killing seat is not enough. No, I just had like you know those black PD jackets, they make noise windbreaker, so I was like this guy.
Speaker 5:You had all the shells on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had corduroy pants on.
Speaker 4:I might have had those winter pants on that were waterproof, I can't remember, but anyways, they were like windbreaker too, um, but I was laying there and I he just kept getting closer and closer. I was like holy shoot, what am I gonna do? And at the time, like I didn't have my radio on because, you know, I'd like blink that red and green light and I was like I don't want to get my cover up. So I was like I've got to make a decision. He's about to walk up on me and literally I can't remember if he came around the corner and I seen him or he seen me, but we scared each other.
Speaker 3:If that makes sense.
Speaker 4:He scared me and I think I scared him at any other time this cat would have, he would have been gone and he bolted I was. That's a notorious runner anyway yes, yeah, he had rabbit, oh I know, yeah, barbara, I called him, I called him, yeah, but so, anyways, he walked right up and we up, and he got close enough to me. I just shot him off the side. So I said, please get down on the ground.
Speaker 4:For once in his life he actually listened. And I get him cuffed up. He didn't run, didn't struggle or nothing. I knew it was him for sure, because there ain't nobody else in that area that acts like him or even looks like him. And I get on the radio and I was like I can't remember what I said.
Speaker 6:Do you?
Speaker 4:remember what I said.
Speaker 6:I got him yeah.
Speaker 2:It was something all snide. Yeah, I was like.
Speaker 4:I got him. You're something great.
Speaker 2:Very arrogant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very, yeah, I was and everybody was like what do you think Cause this was gonna be a fun operation, and it just it sucked, we got we took the foot out
Speaker 2:we were wanting to, you know, kick the door and do all you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we were trying to build enough evidence here, joey takes the foot all out of it for a search warrant. That's what we were trying to get to, but it was a complete accident. How that and that reminds me another time. Well, there's two more. Whenever I was laying in the weeds, we were watching the dope house. It was me, by myself. Same situation this time. It was like real late in the evening, but it wasn't dark, and I was over a bluff and the trailer was up on the hill and I was hiding behind the tree and I can't remember what kind of creature it was. I can't remember if it was a snake.
Speaker 2:Was it a bandicoot or a big?
Speaker 4:spider, notorious bandicoot. But I was laying there trying to be all cool and I had my little. I had my phone out, brightness was turned all the way down. I was taking notes of vehicles coming in and out and something crawled across my arm and I don't think I blew my cover, but it and I don't think I blew my cover, but my whole being cool and tactical went out the window because it's hard to be Steffi when you've got a snake crawling across your arm.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was and I still don't know what happened to it. I threw my phone up and Tube of coverage. I went crazy trying to get away from it. And then I just went back to the car and I was like I think I sent you all a text. I was like, no, that failed.
Speaker 3:There's a creature crawled on me.
Speaker 6:I'm not going back.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we ended up taking that guy down, but we went a different method, just a traffic stop. Yeah, let's play this one city. That brings up the next stakeout adventure. I can't remember the street name I've lost. I don't remember any of the streets anymore. I wish I could. But anyways, we were in town and it was Logan had called and he was like we've got quite a bit of intel. You care to come out? I wasn't on your shift yet, I don't think.
Speaker 4:or maybe I was and logan was on the other shift and he come one of the two, something had happened and, uh, we were here's, me and logan, we were laying in this guy's backyard and it was, I mean, right at the break of dark and we were calling out people, um, that was walking from the house. There was a lot of foot traffic because it was in an area where there's apartments around and whatever. We were calling out people leaving. Our goal was, you know, we were going to stop a couple of those foot traffic people get enough to build probable cause from them leaving that residence, and then we were going to get a search warrant.
Speaker 4:Um, and we done that we caught three or four people. But the craziest thing, when I was laying in this guy's backyard and we done it for two hours, uh, this guy, this old man comes out. Who the heck's on my property? He wasn't saying that he was cussing and we were like because we were in our uniforms but we had jackets on and you couldn't see your step back. Yeah, um you couldn't really tell who we were. I think logan ran up.
Speaker 1:He's like where the police you all carry, and that guy was like he.
Speaker 4:He came and snuck out there and brought us water.
Speaker 2:He was so happy. Yeah, he didn't want to go. He's like thank God.
Speaker 4:Once he found out what he was doing, but he'd come out raging. Well, I don't blame him, because he's you know you stole them dopers. He was in that area where you know he didn't want the people to be there. The dope house across the street was killing him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he said he was even talking about his property value after we kicked the door, but that was one of the things where it could have. We probably should have told him we was in his backyard, but yeah, yeah it's hard, yeah it worked out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it did we ended up funny.
Speaker 2:We, uh, we had another one um and there's two more that I'm. I'm thinking of um, with us collecting all this intel we would get. We would get a lot of intel and sometimes Joey would come off with some intel that would just be like off the wall and we'd be like that's bull crap. Joey, you can't believe that. I bleed to everybody, he got that intel from Danny. Robinson.
Speaker 6:Yes, here's what I heard.
Speaker 2:So the intel that he had got one day and we'd been hitting these poker machines and these dope dealers at the poker machines. I mean, we were hitting them hard. And he got some intel that he's like, listen, there's a woman that's selling out of this one poker machine or she's bouncing around to them and she has a calling sign when she's in business and she sets a roller skate out on one of the pumps. And I was like Joey, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. I do remember this one. And so you know it's a couple of days later. You know we've still got that intel and we're like you know, even though it sounds crazy, we're still got that intel. And we're like you know, even though it sounds crazy, we're still still looking for it.
Speaker 2:So I can't remember if it was logan's stop or your stop it was logan's it was logan's stop yeah okay, well, you go ahead, because you're the one that almost got got hit in the face with it I remember we had yeah, we had heard about it, and logan called me one night.
Speaker 6:He's like there's a roller skate down here off 4th Street on the gas pump. I'm like what All?
Speaker 5:right.
Speaker 6:Obviously sailing, yeah, it's true. Well, she leaves a little while later. Logan stops her. So I was close so I went ahead and went out there with him. He gets this little scrawny girl out and I'm back there just chit-chatting with her while he's searching the car. Well, I'm not really paying attention, I'm kind of looking through her purse she gave me permission to look through it and I see I thought it was a baseball Flies right past my face and lands in the grass behind me and I turn around and it is. I mean, it's probably the size of a softball, it's like a half pound, a bag of meth. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I was like what are you turn to her? I was like what are you doing? He's like I don't know.
Speaker 2:These ain't my pants. I go to cut her up.
Speaker 6:She's like I'm sorry, I was like where rid of it that? Was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she almost hit me in the face with a half pound of meth. And searching the car. Sure enough, that roller skate was in there. She took it with her.
Speaker 6:Yeah, she had it in the back window of the car.
Speaker 2:It was completely true.
Speaker 3:Everybody doubted me.
Speaker 4:And that happened a lot.
Speaker 5:Doubting you, they shouldn't doubt you. After that I and that happened a lot Doubting you, they shouldn't doubt you.
Speaker 4:after that I wouldn't say they doubted me, but they were just like.
Speaker 5:Your intel was probably just stuff that nobody ever heard of. Exactly Like a roller skate, it was Well it was that.
Speaker 6:And then sometimes he'd sit out on the interstate and I'd go out there and two-wheel with him while he's watching traffic, and there at the beginning he'd be like there's a dove in that car, I'd be like whatever Joey, and he'd stop it. Half hour later he's sending me pictures of a pound of meth. I'm like what in the world?
Speaker 5:It's like it almost glowed, like the car would go by and you'd be like I know they give tales. I worked in addiction for a couple years on the team and you can't hide your if you go by and you're unless you're listening to a serious, like a comedy channel go on by and all of a sudden just start laughing. You can't hide. You're so amped up that those emotions and those that comes out, yeah, you can't hide behind them. A post enough.
Speaker 4:You can't you know? That was just different.
Speaker 5:Secrets was always. That was just different things, man, and I remember the telltale If they had a Bible or two or three in their windshield. You know, you're like Play stickers, yeah crazy.
Speaker 4:Know you're like Play stickers, yeah crazy stuff that you're saying.
Speaker 5:We're not trying to give away nothing because they're still going to do it now.
Speaker 4:I mean, there's a song made of it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you cannot. You cannot when you're nervous and you see a cruiser or something sitting on the side of the road. You can't fight your emotions and your fear. It takes over. The easiest emotion to fake is laughter. Yeah, and you're like huh, that's a funny joke by yourself there, huh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh yeah. Well that brings me back whenever I was working the interstate. Every night you would see me at the bottom of the me and James usually, and then Flash would come down there and hang out with us, and then up on the bridge would be Jake.
Speaker 5:He would just sit there Giving his dog a break because he's getting ready to get hurt.
Speaker 6:Well, it got to the point if Joey caught out on a stop, I'd just drive that way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what would happen.
Speaker 4:And I'm not saying every one of them were good, but I'll never forget my first true interdiction stop. That wasn't a whisper, it wasn't. Little is me and James and you were working, but I think I'd stopped like 20 cars that night and you'd finally been like I'm going to get something to drink or going to the PD for a for a minute gotta go get a red bull. Yeah, it was when something you know.
Speaker 4:So we get out there. Um, I stopped this car and right off the bat, I'm like this, is it like I just felt it I don't know what you know.
Speaker 4:Obviously I had very little training at that point, but I kind of knew what I was doing and me and james we searched that car gosh, I don't know. We I searched it, james searched it, and I'm like it's here, we got. I know it's here, we got to find it. And I think james is kind of doubting at that point and I don't blame him, you know and I was like I going to search it one more time and I'll never forget we were in the trunk area searching it for the last time. I was like if we don't find nothing this round, we're just going to kick them loose and whatever.
Speaker 4:And in the back trunk was a big old square-looking object wrapped in duct tape that was hid underneath the carpet and I'm like they done it up so good of a night time. It was hard to tell if it was factory, that's how good it looked. And then finally we, I pull it out and I'm like James detainer, he detained the lady and you should have seen this. We was like two kids. I mean, there was no better feeling. I was unraveling that. And halfway through unraveling, james was like you think we should get some Narcan.
Speaker 1:I was like, nah, it'll be all right, I just kept going.
Speaker 4:And we still didn't know. There was probably a whole roll of black duct tape wrapped around this and we, finally we found it, and then I sent you a picture of it. I was like got one.
Speaker 6:Oh yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I've still got it.
Speaker 4:It was just like from there on out, it was like addiction. Oh yeah, I wanted to find that next big one. I wanted it bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2:We had a pretty good operation one night too. We that started out as a little just showing how, how we worked things as a little fish. Yes, it started out one of the most most fun operations that I oh yeah, that way I forgot about that.
Speaker 5:I tell you we're a weird interdiction. Stop we, me and the team I was on, j MacMac, landry and some CVE guys other than Landry we were setting up on on Parkway where they were going to build that track. You remember that up there at that turnaround and we were sitting there and night shift that came out from the PD was working with us. We were having a good time. I think we maybe started road checking with them and night shift that came out from the PD was working with us. Hump Gregory was there. We were having a good time. I think we maybe started road checking with them and this car comes up. We find a package. We're like it's it. So we send it off to the lab, not knowing what we had exactly. It came back it was just some kind of sand. We thought it was like heroin Inside. That sand was a curse of whoever found that. Like the interdiction teams and I was like I didn't find it.
Speaker 4:I mean a lot of your they would do that stuff big narcotics we started seeing stuff labeled there at the end. It was wild.
Speaker 5:I was like I didn't find that. Good job, doug. We started seeing stuff labeled there at the end.
Speaker 6:It was wild, I was like I didn't find that.
Speaker 2:Good job, doug, where did?
Speaker 4:Mary start Me, was it?
Speaker 2:behind the BP. Yeah, it started with that, because it was me and you on that traffic.
Speaker 4:stop that was a lengthy investigation. Was it two weeks? It was Well, yeah, it ended up going, I going.
Speaker 2:I remember that bigger and bigger and bigger and it turned, was that the same one that ended up with five pounds?
Speaker 4:yeah, yes, and all of that came, so six pounds six pounds of dope came out of that no, it was more than that. Uh, because it ended up bleeding us wet Clay County and they found I don't remember it started out as it was two homeless, they were homeless, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Camping out in their car Truck stop yeah.
Speaker 4:And it wasn't her that we bought. It was some users that were living at the truck stop and they gave me information and, just like you said earlier, everybody's like you'll never talk to those people again.
Speaker 2:Yeah we didn't have a whole lot, I mean you can't trust a dope head.
Speaker 1:I trusted him Every now and then. I mean, you can run with it.
Speaker 2:But as we know from some of our you know our buy bust experiences, it doesn't always work.
Speaker 5:They're slippery. What's the most dope you've seen?
Speaker 6:Like slippery, what's the most? What's the most dope you've seen, like marijuana, meth. We went to house one night.
Speaker 4:I don't remember why we were there, I don't know what, but it was 20 20 pounds of marijuana I saw, then we seen, I seen, was it 30 pounds of meth.
Speaker 6:Golly, I've never seen that. Most I've seen that had to be with high.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it was so some units out in Bowling Green. They had a team out there, those CVE guys. Those KVE guys had an interdiction everywhere. Good. Good at what they did because they could get in big trucks that we can't. We couldn't get in Good. Good at what they do because they can get in big trucks that we can't.
Speaker 5:We couldn't get in. And Jason, I was at a church picnic. J-mac calls me. He's like you want to ride to Bowling Green? I said not really Because I wasn't quite on the team yet. I was starting like that Monday. This was on my Sunday. I'm like, oh gosh, really, I'm at a church picnic there. They were doing big hog on the spit. Yeah, I was like man. He's like no, you need to see this. You're like welcome to the team go to work.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we drove out there.
Speaker 5:They already had it stopped, pulled in a warehouse somewhere like at the. There's a bottling company right there off of the X you know, pretty close to like Smith Grove, and there's a Pepsi plant right right there, off of the, pretty close to Smith Grove. There's a Pepsi plant right there they had it over there getting their buckies and we was. They cracked that thing open. It didn't even smell like it, but there was 1500 pounds of marijuana on that truck jeez just compressed and he was like this is what we're looking
Speaker 5:for set the standard of like uh, yeah, I was like this is what we're looking for. Set the standard of like oh, I was like, okay, it's a pretty low bar.
Speaker 6:My announce was a lot yeah, no joke. That's what I was used to. I was like oh.
Speaker 3:I got a seed out of your console here.
Speaker 4:You're going to jail. We talked about this last time I was here, which it didn't get put in, but know now, with my new job I travel all over pretty much the eastern part of the US and selling dope.
Speaker 2:I sell something, but it ain't dope just as bad for you.
Speaker 4:It's medicine, yeah big, big pharma, but so still, to this day, the only team that I've seen and it I've got mixed emotions. I understand it in a roundabout way. The only team I've seen out is the Richmond guys. Yeah, and I mean I'm traveling right whenever you know the guys that's training their addiction, right when they should be out. I mean, for instance, last week I never seen one single cop.
Speaker 5:I don't know what's changed, if they're working at more intel side or if it's more but used to. If you went down to say you drove to Florida or something, you would see a team or two in Tennessee. You'd see three or four teams in Georgia. You'd see them in Florida. You're like I know what they're doing.
Speaker 6:Right Kentucky line too.
Speaker 4:I drive all those routes like down 40, 65. All of the major highways coming in.
Speaker 5:I've never I don't blame them. You can't search like we used to the federal laws.
Speaker 4:changed the laws have changed so much and then finding, you know, with all the I wouldn't say hatred, but the way that people view the police. I don't blame them. I mean nobody wants to go out on an interstate and risk their livelihood for some drugs.
Speaker 5:I look back at it and we was doing this and we were looking for indicators of felony stuff. Yeah, it wasn't all felony, because a lot of times they'd be personal. They gave the same indicators whether they had a warrant or they was bootlegging or they were— Indicators of criminal activity. Indicators of criminal activity was criminal activities, but we were out there looking for felony stuff.
Speaker 4:Yeah, wanted people it don't always have to be drugs. No, I mean, that brings up remember that night. I stopped at the car. It was on the inside barrier wall and I was like I think I even told you there's something more to this, but all we had at the time was a warrant and then two days later we come back and the guy had like stole the car. It just hadn't been reported yet, it hadn't been. I mean, it was so much and maybe like he had Like a Hellcat, them suckers remember them.
Speaker 4:It was some old beater car, but I think he had like assaulted somebody to where he was possibly facing like attempted murder charges and he was just like during his initial interaction, like you could tell there was something up, didn't find any dope, yeah, um other than he had a warrant on him that was extraditable. But it was like I knew there was something there, I could feel it and didn't find out until I Travis Hurley stopped one one day.
Speaker 5:He had a tugger that the dog got to. We used to call tugger Ofer, ofer. He was Ofer. We used to give Travis a hard time. But he stopped a guy, found a little dope and we arrested both people in it. You know, obviously they were trafficking together out of Detroit heading back north and he got them for speed. They were flying way too fast, which is weird. Most people hauling don't speed. No, and he hollered. He said, hey, can you come? You know I don't like no. And he hollered. He said, hey, can you come? You know I don't like this. Whatever we arrest them, no big deal. They get out of jail FBI or AG's office somebody. Yeah, I think it was the FBI and the AG's office in Kentucky. They came. Stuart Walker calls me. He's like hey, come up to the PD. I'm like uh-oh, well, if I turn down, usually I was like, yeah, here we go.
Speaker 5:He's like these folks want to talk to you. I'm like, oh, and the woman I arrested was missing and presumed murdered by that guy that we'd picked up, because during that stop she kind of indicated what they were doing to us and he killed her Just later. I was like, oh my gosh, I don't know if they ever found her or what. It was bad, though. It was one of them deals where, like it just didn't feel right no From the get-go ended up. He was a really bad person. We just didn't know how bad he was.
Speaker 4:The interstate man, it's, it's dangerous, but oh, man, that's where you find the and we got. I'm not saying we don't have real crime in our area, but that's where you find the real. Yeah it's your transport, your big transport. I mean, I couldn't tell you how many people that we had arrested, that had or not really even arrested, that had encounters with it, had murdered people, like had murder charges or whatever. It was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5:I remember I forget who it was. We was on that team and they were doing construction on 75, and they'd do those rolling roadblocks. Somehow this car got ahead of it and he was going about over 100 miles an hour and one of the other officers that was on the team stopped him. It's like obviously we got him, for you know, the speed limit then was like 55 on I-75 for the construction. He was going, you was going 100 plus and he pulls him over. Talks to him when you heading Guy's just freaked out. He just points like that way, yeah, that way. That's the first indicator.
Speaker 5:So, you know, he arrests him for reckless driving and we do an interdiction. You know we do him for reckless driving and we do an interdiction. You know we do a search on it and we had those fancy spyglass stuff with the cameras on the scopes, the scopes. And all of a sudden I see that officer. He just starts, wow. And I look down there and all I see is a benjamin and it was trap door stuff. It was wild, we couldn't, we couldn't, we couldn't figure out how to open it. It was on like wiper motors and stuff. It's on teardrop things. So he's legit big time he was. They were big time coming out of out of new y to buy, I'm sure, or transport, because they had it vacuum sealed and it's amazing, I think it ended up being about $100,000. But it was so small and vacuum sealed that it might have looked like $5,000.
Speaker 4:And that's really easy to conceal If you think about the vehicle.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's easy to hide stuff if you don't want somebody to find it.
Speaker 4:You know you got your normal back before I started working dope real heavy. I could tell you how many vehicles. I'd just look underneath the seats, check the trunk and let it go.
Speaker 5:Funny story about that. Later, working that same spot, I see a car same description. Well, me and Jason had went up to take that trap out of that vehicle at the Marshalls in Lexington, cutting trapdoor stuff out of that because it was going to go to auction. We took the trap out, glued it all up, you know, put it back together and here comes a car meeting. That same description driving.
Speaker 5:It was the same car that a dealer in London had purchased at auction. I said I got a funny story about this car. I said your lot will find more money when you start detailing this thing, because you never know. I said just don't tell nobody. But it was wild. I mean it was wild. Then it came back to London. And somebody local probably bought it.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 4:We've had so much fun. We have.
Speaker 2:There's so many more stories we could tell We've been. This is the longest podcast we've had so far we might turn it into two. We've been. This is the longest podcast we've had so far. We might turn it into two. We've got, we've been going for two hours. I do want to ask you this.
Speaker 5:I know we'll switch gears a little bit, but you got out of law enforcement Yep and great officer. But what led you to make the transition?
Speaker 3:What was the?
Speaker 4:thought process on it. Um, obviously, like you know, money was one of them. Uh, I just felt like that was a. I wouldn't say that was the number one reason, but just you know, we, we lost logan, yeah, um, and I'm not saying that's the whole reason, I'm not trying to get a pity.
Speaker 2:But it did change.
Speaker 5:It changed a lot of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it changed the dynamic.
Speaker 4:And the number one thing that I and I don't care to admit it now. I mean I'm definitely in a lot better spot than I was then, but I was drinking a lot and I just seen not just my health but my mentality, my family, everything was just I wouldn't say crumbling, but it was is at that breaking point where and I don't know what I truly couldn't tell you why I was just like, oh, I'm done. But there was something that just told me, like you need to find a different career path because I love my job very good but something changed in me.
Speaker 4:I wasn't the same. I didn't enjoy coming to work like I did when I first started, and we sit here and joke about all the crazy things that happened. I'm not saying that's what led to it, but a lot of them are funny stories that you've heard. But there's also been a lot of crazy things that you know.
Speaker 5:Jake's been right there with me there's yeah, there's a lot behind the scenes that that we don't talk about um, and we try to keep this the funny side but the but, but the stuff that, yeah, the stuff that causes changes, the things when you close your eyes, the things that all of a sudden gets triggered not sleeping or sleeping like I would catch myself either not able to sleep or just sleeping way too much yeah, the time sacrifice from your family that you know getting called out you
Speaker 6:know all the time. I know I got out six, seven days a week, yeah.
Speaker 2:I got out a little little while before you wouldn't probably a few months maybe I lived in april of 23. I left in february no yeah, so 2022 was rough.
Speaker 5:It was just a brutal year. Um losing tra Travis, you know, losing somebody I've placed with for years and years friend that was brutal in itself. But then to have it, you know, losing Logan, it was just. It devastated me, you know, I was close to retirement anyway, so I just didn't have the fight anymore. It devastated me. I was close to retirement anyway, so now I just didn't have to fight anymore.
Speaker 4:I felt like it depleted our whole department, and I'm not saying that in a bad way.
Speaker 2:I think the question was is it worth it anymore? Because you go out and you're, you've got that bulletproof mentality, but then that really sets things. I mean you're already grieving, but then that sets it into you know.
Speaker 5:There was so much change that was happening anyway, and then his death. Just it was just a.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I'm a firm believer in in everything. God has a plan for all of us. I'm not perfect ain't none of us perfect? But I will say that, um and not trying to get like all emotional in this podcast but I, I went through some therapy and that helped me more than, yeah, then me picking up a bottle, um, and after I, I mean, I spent hours with the therapist. Um, I had, you know, somebody that practiced privately. And then the ocjt I can't remember that lady's name, but she was awesome. Um, that done the emd, emd or the paddles.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can't emdr yep, and it was this association that really helped me um. And did you do that? Flash no it's not too late to do it, I mean I would like to do it again.
Speaker 5:I did, I went back. In fact, she contacted me the other day, probably a month ago now. She probably just you know, she knows, and there's things that trigger, time, frames, things going on.
Speaker 4:It's weird things too. It's not like what you think, what would trigger it. It's just off the wall, just driving. Sometimes I'm like I get in my head. Her name is Angela Childress. Yep, that is her name and she's incredible. Yes.
Speaker 5:But at any time we still can go up and see her. That's the cool thing. You don't have to, she'll see it. And it had been about a year after my first session and I went back up there, went to her office and sat down. She said hold on to these things.
Speaker 4:And at first you don't think it's going to work the first time. It's weird, it's real weird. You don't think it's going to work at first, like I was in denial about it.
Speaker 5:I was like and the first time I'll tell you this and she came in I said, well, I need to go first, I need to be the leader. Lisa said hey, it to be the leader and at least say hey, it's okay. I'd like my head straight on the, on the, on the desk in there where he's at, and just unloaded everything. Earlier in my career travis's death, logan's death, all this stuff, all this stuff that was pent up and, um, I was like I can't believe I'm saying some of this stuff. But I mean, and I looked up at her, she said okay, I think we're good. You know I'm like okay.
Speaker 5:I said what do you want for lunch? I said we started that session at 9. I said I bet you're hungry. It's got to be lunchtime, it's got to be like two or three hours. Into this it was 3.30. I had zero idea that stuff. It worked. The second time I did it, you know it was good to get some stuff off my chest, but it wasn't like I think the first session, you know, and I think there's multiple sessions you need to do with that but it was more the fact the second time I just just hashing out some stuff that I was still thinking about and going through stuff that had been compartmentalized that I probably hadn't shared some hurt stuff that I was going through and you know she's like come back and she'll call me still, like are you okay?
Speaker 4:I'm like yeah, I'm okay right now. Yeah, she was awesome. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 5:That's the best thing that ever happened. What do they call it? The P? I can't remember. You remember what it's called the two-minute act. We can go to those classes. They do those very intensive stuff where you can take your family.
Speaker 6:You're talking about the post-incidence, yeah.
Speaker 5:And probably should have went. We probably all should have went to something like that. But her coming down and I remember we sitting in a debriefing with the chaplain and nothing against him, but once we started getting deeper I think he wanted to keep it at an you know Armed length away. Yeah, and, and no fault, he just didn't. You know he was a chaplain more.
Speaker 4:and well, he probably never dealt with anything like that either. I mean, no, it's a small area, it doesn't happen and and when.
Speaker 5:I think it was travis from the sheriff's office, like you need to call her, and we did, and she came straight down like the next day and scheduled to be there for like a week or something. And it's life changing.
Speaker 4:Really, get some of that have you listened to the Sean Ryan show? He's talking about the DMT 5-MEOD.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I think that would be. I mean, obviously it's not legal in America yet, but just the research that I've read and heard, I think it's getting closer.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think you know that Walter Reed may be starting to Like the VA. The VA stuff is really looking into it.
Speaker 4:And that's I mean once you quit policing. It's like you got all these friends and then you know we're still pretty close, tight-knit group of friends, but you lose a lot of people that you thought were your true friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you really see how small your circle gets, and that's why I thought well, that 10-blue line is a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 4:It really is. Yeah, and I'll be the first one, and I'm not trying to make anybody mad, but while you're working, you're all homies, and that's.
Speaker 3:Well, you know there's that line.
Speaker 2:You know you're all brothers until it comes time.
Speaker 4:To promote, to promote or whatever. I've seen a lot of backstabbing. That shouldn't have ever happened.
Speaker 2:And that happens for all the podcasts. I listen to all the cops from other agencies. It's all kind of the same sentiment too. It's not really a brotherhood when the ladder's there. No, everybody's trying to climb the ladder.
Speaker 4:I'll tell you the closest brotherhood I ever felt when we all work together. I mean, it's just that, that right. I don't think that's inseparable. What's up?
Speaker 2:and I've joked about it a lot and said that we operated kind on don't ask, don't tell mentality. But that's I think that's why we were so close, because it was we just kind of done our own thing.
Speaker 4:We'll ask for forgiveness.
Speaker 2:later we got out and done our work.
Speaker 4:And we knew each other. I could come into work and Jake you know how he is, he knows, he could tell if I was having a rough day, if I was dealing with some stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you knew each other. We could read each other and I could tell whenever he was having a rough day If I was dealing with some stuff. Yeah, you knew each other, we could read each other and I could tell whenever he was having a rough day.
Speaker 5:That's why squads and breaking up a good team was always a dangerous thing to do, because me and Derek talked about that. He knew that was my beginning. That was my beginning, that was my squad. We were all close and it was just when they broke that up we talked about that. It was just kind of trying to. I'm a new guy on a new place and they didn't know me. And it's a different shift different way of doing things.
Speaker 2:You're like I don't know and it throws you completely out of your your work routine, like because I know when they they eventually decided to switch everybody's skater.
Speaker 6:You know squads up for whatever yeah, at the end of the year they'd switch them up every year. Yeah, for what? I tried to fight it, but we all.
Speaker 2:For the most part we all ended up on the same squad just because of seniority and the way the bids worked, but then there at the end it's like we got kind of mixed around and it ruined you and you want to be, and I see that thought patterns like all right, we shift bid.
Speaker 5:You want to come to day shift for whatever reason, that's fine, yeah, but then they would flip-flop the whole red and blue squad sometimes.
Speaker 3:That was what hurt, that was what was a terrible idea, because you could still stay on a red.
Speaker 5:What we did was we broke it up. We had four squads. We worked 12-hour shifts With a red side. That would say we worked Monday, tuesday and then off. But we were all red and you know we would see each other at shift changes. We'd cut up with each other. We'd see each other, you know, in the morning and the evening yeah and it was.
Speaker 5:you know there was shifts that you never saw. You all never saw. Night shift on blue, no, or whatever. No, um, and it was.
Speaker 5:That's that's the tough part that you're like we're one PD, we should be able to police together, you should. But there's dynamics, there's trust that's built in. That that's so important, like if your supervisor, if Jake, he knew you enough to know Joey's having a bad day, or I can talk to him, I know what gets him motivated, I know what can calm him down. That's so important. And that was like me on day shift and being that lieutenant when I was doing that role of kind of being over both of those squads, it was just a. You know there's a trust that you build up with each sergeant that hey, they're doing this, they're doing this, and if there's problems, problems, they come tell you. But if you didn't hear from them on stuff, you're like everything's great. And we had that relationship built in to where if there was a problem, you know he, jake, could come up and easily say, hey, here's what we got, we may need to move him, or this, what's going on, and that was fine, that's what you want.
Speaker 4:Or hey, you might want to talk to him about this, or hey, this is what's going on. Well, that's leading into your original question why I quit. And it was nobody's fault other than my own, and I'm not trying to blame it on nobody but whenever I was working on Jake's shift, he could kind of keep me honed in. He knew what was going on. He knew when I walked in what kind of mood I was in. And then, after I transitioned from his shift, that's when I started declining as far as my mental state, just because I had good leaders.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying that, but they didn't know me Jake knew me, flash knew me.
Speaker 2:You had good leaders, but you didn't have partners.
Speaker 4:No, it was just like. I don't know how to explain it other than in the line of policing. You need somebody that's going to keep you in check.
Speaker 2:It was one less thing, and it was one less thing on a call that you had to worry about. Yeah, because you don't know how this guy's going to operate. You don't know how this guy's going to operate. We knew how each other operated. So it was like that was never in my mindset when we were out on something dangerous. It was like I know that you're back there, jake's back there, somebody's back there, that's got my back if I don't see something, they've got it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't have to worry about you know and then it all, all that translates into how you, how you work. You know, if you ain't honed in and you don't have that brother keeping a check on you, then what are you doing? Yeah, like you might be, you, you might think you're doing the right thing, and I'll be the first one to admit. I mean, I thought I was doing the right thing several times and I wasn't, um, and that's what led to me drinking more um, and now you know I'm, I'm great. Do I miss the job?
Speaker 5:mmm, I don't know sometimes yeah, that's what I do. You miss that camaraderie.
Speaker 4:If I had, if I had the opportunity, if they said well, everybody's gonna be on the same squad, you're going back to the the way it was then and I know that's never possible I would say sign me up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I'd go back to that in a heartbeat. But I remember, I remember when I got that phone call from him, I'd been out for a little bit and he's like, well, do you miss it? Is it something? Because you were considering it at the time, I said no. I said honestly, with what? What we would had went through, what the changes that we're going through, I was like it's, it's the best for my mental health and for my family's lifestyle. And for all that I said, this is the best decision I've made is to get out. Now do I wish that.
Speaker 2:I could have continued and done that and stayed, yeah, and I miss the camaraderie and stuff, but I don't know that I necessarily miss the bureaucracy of the job, because that's what it was becoming.
Speaker 4:It went from us having fun to oh crap, we've got to deal with. What we deal with on a routine is not fun, no more. It's getting political. We have a lot of uncertains.
Speaker 2:It became more stress. You already had the normal stress of being a police officer, and then we weren't well liked by the public on top of that, and then on top of that you had all the other added stressors from admin. So I mean, it just wasn't. When you start dreading a job, going into work, it's time to find something else.
Speaker 5:If I would have, known and I didn't know this at the time, but my goal was to make it. When I went up to Danville PD. The way they are is what I was trying to thrive in, and I didn't know who they were until I went up there and I was like they've got it figured out as far as and Jake, you've landed in a great department, I think. Oh yeah, they still have the fun. I feel like the camaraderie is good.
Speaker 5:Well, they let you police and the big difference up there, bigger city, what makes it better? Because their call volume is not nearly what London is, but the difference is I-75. They can actually go and actually solve things and do things and not have to worry about 46 or something crazy or some people in transit pulling into London. That's, you know, bad people.
Speaker 2:I will say that in the conversations that I've had with them up there, that you know, one statement stands out, and it was that they're like what was your style, what was your ideal style of policing? I was like, well, this is what. And they said well, here's what our idea of it is. You do what you're good at and it makes us look good. There's not an agenda, so it's you know, that's how we was.
Speaker 6:They figured that out.
Speaker 5:They figured that out up there, probably in the last five, six years, I think. But if I would have known, if I would have known who they were, because you know, john and Hobie came down from Danville and went during Logan. They helped us out during that time and but you know, I really didn't know who they were, and but when I went up there I was like if I'd have known that, I'd have been calling you guys all the time running this saying what you all do on things, but they really.
Speaker 5:That's a good place that you've landed and I think that's helped save a lot of people.
Speaker 2:And I think there's more agencies out there like that than there is with what we've dealt with just because of the small town politics and stuff that we have to deal with here.
Speaker 5:It's a good, it was unique, refreshing to say, hey, dang it, this is what I was going for.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't regret any of it. I'm glad that I got to do it.
Speaker 4:I don't know that I'd go back like I said, the only way I would go back under that that was kind of a unicorn shift that we had.
Speaker 2:Anyway, you get those every now and then.
Speaker 5:I feel like I've been a part of that unicorn shift where you can trust your leadership. You can trust the man next to you. You know, even the rookies that would come on would would figure it out pretty quick. We would help train those. We were afraid to be like you're. You're messing up here well, yeah, you've got.
Speaker 2:You know, in laws of change, things are stricter. The climate has changed.
Speaker 5:As far as place, we all placed during the COVID years and the George Floyd years, we saw the huge change that happened with the trust towards police. It's eye-opening. It is We've said that on multiple podcasts Like how do you get people to do this job? Now I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean that's. I mean, you can throw money at it and money will go so far, but it's not.
Speaker 6:It's still not worth it as a young person. There's no way I'd get into this job now. You would have to.
Speaker 2:The retirement needs to go back to 20 years. It does, because it's not it's not an old man's game well, that's something that I consider.
Speaker 4:I'm sure you did too. I was like I'm gonna have to work till I'm in my 50s every time. Well, that was like in the private sector I can work.
Speaker 5:If I work three more years, I can retire three more years than what I would have had to ever if with and make more money make more money, have a better schedule, not have to sacrifice time with my young, and that's why there's such a push to bring back us old folks, because nobody else let's draw them out of retirement here well and getting somebody that can go through and have the same drive and determination and, let's face it, with some of the you know, some of the people that we had, that I some of them
Speaker 2:might have made it and been all right, but then it just they didn't stick with it long enough or they were just couldn't hack it and that's, and that's fine.
Speaker 5:You want to know?
Speaker 2:yeah, there's some people just want to scratch that itch man there's like there's no shame in that getting into it and being like, yeah, this ain't for me yeah, but then there's some people that are just I actually have more respect.
Speaker 4:Um, and I'm not gonna bring up no names, but there was a, a guy that came and trained with us. Uh, he went to the academy and he was like this, ain't for me yeah, and I respect that more than anybody that would say, yeah, that's smart, it's like don't yeah and and keep making mistakes, because there's going to be a point in time whenever you're going to need to rely on that person.
Speaker 5:If he's not in his right head space.
Speaker 4:Yeah, if he's doubting his Abilities to do whatever.
Speaker 5:Let's make a swap while you can.
Speaker 4:One last thing that I'll say and then we'll tell a funny story or whatever is if there's anybody out there that has seen yourself in my shoes um, I don't care, if you all want to put my phone number on there or whatever just call me, don't make a mistake not that I've made a mistake but, uh, I don't know what words I'm looking for, but I will do anything I can to help you.
Speaker 2:Don't let. Yeah, what you're trying to say is don't let the stress and everything eat at you so much to where you? Make decisions that are irreversible.
Speaker 4:Exactly that's where I'm going with it mental.
Speaker 5:You know the whole. I guess, when you're trying to pick up a bottle instead of calling and talking, mistakes are made, your livelihood could be taken. You never know how that could leave you. So the best, instead of reaching for and finding it in a bottle, sometimes reach out and call. Call us, because we there's nobody's had more pts probably in than us.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we've, from military stuff with jake to and policing I mean to losing, losing a friend um I mean, let alone two in one year alone. Two in one year? Yeah, two in one year.
Speaker 5:Not to mention I mean you was wearing those bracelet things for years from friends you've lost in the military and dealing with those things, we've been there, we've done it and you don't have to be alone. You can reach out. I mean all our stuff's on Instagram and stuff you can reach out. I mean all our stuff's on on instagram and stuff that you can reach out and and we all deal with this stuff differently.
Speaker 2:I mean, you may you know my my thing was I've talked about before, is I talked?
Speaker 2:me and my wife had a pretty open, you know dialogue about, about all of it, and I got a lot of it off my chest with with her because it you know that's trusted and I never did any of the, you know any of the therapy and stuff and I probably should have, but but that was kind of my outlet was with with her. I mean, so you don't, you don't have to go to therapy, it's a good idea, I think yeah, even if you've not went through something tragic, it's not gonna hurt you. No, but I mean just getting it out there, getting it off your chest, yeah, bouncing ideas off and saying I mean, we have this stigma that it's weak to talk about this stuff, or it's weak to and it's not well, that's like me.
Speaker 4:You know I would be open somewhat with my wife, but I wouldn't tell her everything.
Speaker 2:I would talk to jake, or you or you a lot more because we understood, and it's not nothing against her but it's just like you don't want to have to explain something and then also explain, you know let me explain this to you. And now let me explain why. Why this bothers me.
Speaker 4:So it's like you want me to tell let's end on something funny cause.
Speaker 5:You want me to tell them let's end on something funny End it with a good note here.
Speaker 2:We've got solemn here, no it's important, though it's very important and, like I said, I'm here I don't care.
Speaker 4:I work around the clock because I want to now, not because I have to, but call me, I don't care what time it is. Where do you want to go with this?
Speaker 2:wherever you want to, whatever you, this is your we'll go with the Walmart shoplifter.
Speaker 4:I'll try not to get vulgar. The best.
Speaker 2:I can. It's definitely. This is a kid friendly show, alright we did put explicit on our Every one of them has explicit on it.
Speaker 4:So I've got two stories wrote down for this story, because there was two different parts of it. The first, so I'll just start from the beginning. So we received a complaint of a shoplifter at Walmart, which would happen pretty regular Every day. Yeah, pretty regular Every day, if not multiple times a day, Multiple times a day. And those guys are I mean, they're hustlers. They work their butt off to try to make a difference and I don't know if they'll ever get caught up.
Speaker 4:But no jolly, never will, um, anyway. So we get a call of shoplifter at walmart and me being me, you know, I don't remember it seemed like I was always close to stuff. Everybody accused me of somehow having contact with dispatch and knowing where to be at the right time or whatever. But I pull into walmart and usually when we pull into walmart we would go over on the grocery side and they had a little office is the loss prevention office. Um, so I'll pull up in front of those doors and they you know the loss prevention guys they come running out, they're like she's about to run out this side door, she's running through walmart. And I'm like, no, this sounds fun.
Speaker 4:So I floored across the little parking lot, get out of my car and jake was pulling up right at, he's pulling in right behind me and this chick and she might have been 60 pounds, soaking wet.
Speaker 4:I mean, she was trying to push a whole buggy full of stuff out that she hadn't paid for and there was a little kid in the shopping cart.
Speaker 4:Obviously, you're trying to be aware of everything and the only thing that I honed in on is oh gosh, there's a kid with her, for whatever reason, and then she pushes the kid that's in the shopping cart. She pushes the shopping cart we're in that little breezeway in between both doors doors pushes the shopping cart to some random person and takes off looking at it. Well, she didn't see me, like I was standing right at the front door and she ran straight into me and I I put her on the ground because she was trying to run and the bait pile driver well, it wasn't. It wasn't intentional, it really wasn't true, but he assisted her to the ground. A little backstory to that. So we just got done eating mexican and I don't know how you all feel about mexican, but I've been in one foot pursuit right after we ate Mexican. I said it never happened again because I had to go back and re-eat again because I lost all of it.
Speaker 3:Got to eat something white though. Yeah, I said.
Speaker 4:I'll never chase somebody 30 minutes after eating Mexican. I think I just got my cruiser from Mexican and went over there.
Speaker 5:Just imagine if you had to jump in a pool or something.
Speaker 4:Oh my gosh, it makes it even more delicious. It takes 20 minutes, but if it's Mexican, it's about four hours. It's delicious, but I never tried to eat more than my belly could withstand, especially working, but anyway so.
Speaker 4:I grab her and put her on the ground and cuff her. I'm like I got you Go and get the kid or whatever. So somehow and I don't remember every little detail we all end up back on the grocery side. The kids in the loss prevention office and I was out there dealing with a female and some man. He was elderly. He comes beating on my door or on my glass and I said uh-oh. I was like is this a threat? What's going on here? And I didn't run my window down.
Speaker 4:I got out because I wanted to at least be a little bit tactical. She's still in the back of my car and I said can I help you, sir? And he just starts dog cussing me. I mean, I seen what you've done to that woman. You should be whatever of yourself. And I was like what do you want me to do? Just chase and run side by side with her. I mean, what do you want me to do? He said I don't know. I said who are you? He said I'm a cop. And I said you're a cop, where are you a cop at? And at this point I was already a little bit frustrated because one my belly didn't feel good.
Speaker 4:My adrenaline was now. I got this old man yelling at me because I stopped somebody from trying to push out a whole shopping cart full of items from Walmart and he's like I'm a cop, yada, yada, yada. So I think I yelled at you and I'm like at Jake, and I was like Jake, there's a guy out here saying he's a cop, he wants to file a complaint on me. And before Jake got out there, I was like where you caught by? He said manchester and I was like, well, all right, whatever.
Speaker 4:I was like I got my supervisor on the way, did you ever actually get to talk to him or did he take off before you got there?
Speaker 6:I think he left before I got out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he jake was inside, I was like I got my supervisor on the way and like in the back of my head I was like I'm gonna arrest this guy the way and like in the back of my head I was like I'm going to arrest this guy, you know, for impersonating a police officer, because you can tell a cop from a mile away most of the time.
Speaker 4:And he definitely. I mean he was definitely not a cop. We make some long story short, we make some phone calls. I take her to jail. He was a card carrier and I think they went.
Speaker 2:They went and took it from him. They went, took his card and revoked his card.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's awesome took up all the stuff yeah, I mean, it was just one of the things we're like. It was a bad situation already, didn't want to do what I did, but I had to do it, and then I got some old man yelling at me because I did my job.
Speaker 6:You know it's like it's nothing unusual, though never worked the road a day in his life.
Speaker 4:No, oh no. He didn't even know what was he. He wouldn't even I don't know if he was related to the girl or if he's probably no, he wasn't involved he was just some random and the hindsight 2020. It probably did look pretty bad.
Speaker 2:She wasn't hurt no, she didn't get hurt. He had a facebook, so he was automatically a lawyer, a cop and a doctor.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but it was just one of those going back to me being me one of those situations that typically would just go over like a breeze go to a normal call and it just escalated and turned into a mess.
Speaker 2:That is, yeah, joey's career in a you guys Just a mess. That is, yeah, joey's career in a you guys Just a mess.
Speaker 5:I remember working, speaking to old men coming out and just you remember when we used to do Thursday Night Live on Main Street, right Before they built the fancy park, well, this, they would line up all these people, all these people sitting right in Main Street, y'all remember it and we were sitting there and we're like it was one of them days where it was like 4th of July right before and they had like some power company trucks right there with a big flag and there was like vendors and stuff on the other end and it was actually for the first vendors and stuff on the other end. It was actually for the first time. Will blocked off. This old man gets out of the car, stops traffic gets out and comes out yelling at me.
Speaker 5:I remember I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5:Not because of blocking traffic, inconvenience. What if they're? Who's in charge of security here? As of me? What if they run? You know some, you know, don't you watch the news that the terrorists coming running people over it? I mean, he's right, all these things that we was always like this is a horrible idea. Well, it could have just been a drug coming through there, or some old woman that's just like oh, I've got to go down Main Street because I don't know how to turn. Or man, old woman, old man, we're going to get canceled.
Speaker 6:Caught yourself there.
Speaker 2:Well, this was our last episode. I hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker 5:You just never know. He came out there and said listen, sir, by far this is the most blocked off it's ever been, by far. Yeah, oh man, he cussed me for 10 minutes and had the traffic stop. I said, sir, you're causing a bigger traffic problem than that, so why don't you just go on?
Speaker 2:Man he got all over me. Go forth and prosper.
Speaker 4:Yes, man, you deal with people like that all the time, like you don't know. You know, most of the time you know walking up to somebody and say, oh, they're gonna, you know, be respectful. Oh no, not today's time, I mean, they'll fly above you before somebody younger will that's right for no reason they've earned it at that point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let them. If I make it to those at that age I'm going to be hateful to the connectors too.
Speaker 5:You all had it. Yeah, I can't believe you all are out here my shoes hurt my feet.
Speaker 2:It's all your fault.
Speaker 5:Such dumb stuff.
Speaker 2:I've not pooped in three weeks. Look at that.
Speaker 4:Tito will never be able to say that that's his code word, uh oh.
Speaker 5:I have not got up and walked off to pee on this episode.
Speaker 4:This has been a long one. How long are we at? We're almost at three hours.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, you said three. This has been a bottle yeah, this time, but uh, we could sit here and talk all day.
Speaker 4:I've got more stories. If you want to go, or if you want to, we'll cut it here. We'll do it again and then save them save them next time.
Speaker 5:Hopefully we don't run out of gas, but oh, we ain't to We've got a plethora.
Speaker 4:It's a $5.
Speaker 2:Word for you, so we'll cut it $20.
Speaker 4:That's exactly right, according to dispatch, are we?
Speaker 5:ready to cut her down? I think so. This has been a ball.
Speaker 4:Thanks for coming, Jake, and always Joey.
Speaker 2:Somebody had to keep Joey in line.
Speaker 6:Jake's the line tamer. I've been kicking him under the table.
Speaker 4:What you can't see is Jake's.
Speaker 2:Had him on a leash this whole time. Joke caller it's fun stuff. Alright, guys, hope you enjoyed it. We'll catch you on the next one, see ya.